Complex Systems was-Re: [governance] Unsubscribing ACLU (Dateline 1953)

[Eric Dierker]

Yahuda,
 
Complex systems and the study and applications of studied rationales to existing models is very complicated ;>}. My daughters' studies at Berkeley are coined "Society and the Environment" --- impossible to even wrap your mind around the internetworking and spiderweb like complexities of melding the two concepts into a working synergism that benefits both. (that is if you leave society as human and environment as the natural -- go further and you damn near have to rectify Genesis with the ultimate Bang).
 
On sunday I visited Alcala the first Mission of the Internet of Names and Addresses of Alta California. I stood on "The Playa Trail" the claimed 1st commercial trail/internet system in the US. I hiked later the Rose Canyon Fault - a cornerstone of the geographic fault lines and internet of California de Tierra. This fault line is covered by the Interconnected drainage system of the Tecolote, Bear and Rose canyon basin area. On top lies the Internet of the Santa Fe Railroad and within the epitierra lies the runoff sewage system of the greater San Diego area. Of course on all sides is the Internet of the massive So. Cal. interconnected freeway system.
 
We have been involved in interconnectivity internets since long before the Phoenicians.  Why are we so shocked at the complexity?  Why do we act like we have been goosed by a brand new idea?  Pure folly and purely erected by existing enterprises to slow it down because they cannot keep up.

--- On Sun, 8/9/09, Yehuda Katz <yehudakatz at mailinator.com> wrote:


From: Yehuda Katz <yehudakatz at mailinator.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [governance] Unsubscribing ACLU (Dateline 1953)
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:31 PM


karl scribe 
> As I mentioned the other day, one of the issues of internet governance is the
problem of separating those things that are mandated by technical necessity
from those thing that are merely one possible way that a technology can be used
but that has ossified into being perceived as the only way. 
-

And this statement gives rise to: Why diversity is important. 
(The possibility of something being one way or another way)


That question falls into the field of 'Complexity Science'

What Makes a System Complex?

What defines a system as complex, as opposed to being merely “complicated”?

The answer lies in the presence of four factors:

* A population of diverse agents, all of which are
* Connected, with behaviors and actions that are
* Interdependent, and that exhibit
* Adaptation.

Understanding complex systems is important for several reasons:

* They’re often unpredictable.
* They sometimes produce events with global ramifications.
* They’re remarkably robust and can withstand substantial trauma and
variation.

The internet is in a state of 'Emergance'(as defined in Complexity Science),
the spontaneous creation of order and functionality from the bottom up. Icann
has not grasped that concept, nor do I belive it to grasped that concept. Jon
Postel's premis has been exploited by commercial economics, because of the
'Mentality' of those in Icann.

Its not just the Greed, the mentally-invisioned amount$ which can be
Capitolized via channels provided by Icann, it is also the created perception
of Power. My appologies Milton, but maybe if your publisher would have named
your book diffrently than 'Ruling the Root', 'the mentality' of Internet
success would be different. (I'm not blaming, I'm just saying).

So if your intrested in learning about Complexity Science, here a link to a
download (which I would not normally provide), but I think it would help some
of you to open your eyes.

http://www.tactools.org/ttc-video-undestanding-complexity.html

--

Ginger and Ian want to get some work done, my suggestions were only to help
them accomplish that objective.

Let's see what they have to say.

If you don't come to the Mountain, the Mountains is gonna come to you.

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