[governance] Re: [igf_members] US Congrerss & JPA

[Carlos Afonso]

For sure Cerf & Co. have had a great marketing dept behind them as 
well... :) which for one reduced to oblivion the seminal work generated 
by Pouzin and all the packet switching folks.

And I liked Jefsey's phrase "the Internet we have to use today". The 
pyramidal DNS we are obliged to use today, and so on...

--c.a.

Joe Baptista wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM, jefsey <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:
> 
>>  Dear Joe,
>> some more nationalistic bragging.
>>
> 
> No - not really. Although Bell is the undisputed inventor of the telephone
> as far as marketing is concerned .. the truth is somewhat complex. I don't
> believe Bell invented the phone first but he did have a great marketing
> department behind him.
> 
> 
> 
> Actually it is not. Most of the parts (datagram, "network of network", etc.
> [Louis Pouzin], DNS ["11" distributed logic of telephone and servers
> directory service on Minitel, the root file of us in Saint-Cloud
> (http://intlnet.org/intlhist.htm))
> of the Internet are of French origin.
> 
> Yes I agree. Many people built the Internet .. but bottom line the goose
> that laid the golden egg was Спутник.  October 4th 1957 was a brave new day
> for America. And every ninetysix minutes that Russian satellite passed over
> the USA and went beep beep beep.
> 
> That little beep shook the U.S. government to it's core. Shortly after that
> military funding was significantly increased - the military industrial
> complex was born and they needed reliable computer systems. The internet was
> a perfect solution to military needs. Internet protocol is designed to route
> around error. If one mainframe goes down due to a military strike against
> the facility you just route the traffic to another containing a backup - one
> example of the many benefits they saw back then.
> 
> So I agree with you many were involved - including Louis who built the basic
> framework for TCP/IP - Cerf just took the credit. But if it was not for U.S.
> government driven need the Internet as we know it today would not exist.
> 
> So they have every right to take credit for it. But I don't think they will.
> Internet protocol is revolutionary in that it places control with the end
> user. Thats dangerous. Once the NSF figured out the Internet was a
> significant liability - and dangerous - it became an administrative
> nightmare hurtling around Washington like a grenade with the pin taken out.
> 
> Let's not forget the whole thing with ICANN and the numbers administrators
> is one of the biggest scam against the U.S. public in the history of
> America. These duties were once - and still are - under U.S. government
> contract.
> 
> And the scam is the fact that once the U.S. government loses control of
> names and especially numbers those resources which clearly belong to the
> American people are put in the hands of a small group of people for zero
> dollars.
> 
> Thats the biggest fraud in U.S. history against the U.S. government
> taxpayer.
> 
> I don't think the U.S. government has figured that out yet that they are
> effectively giving away the property of people of the United States to a
> group of jackasses trying to play monopoly with names and numbers.
> 
> When the American public wakes up and realizes what was given away - they
> are going to be pissed.
> 
> cheers
> joe baptista
> 
> 
>  Joe Baptista wrote:
>  On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Avri Doria <avri at psg.com> wrote:
> 
>  and what is going to happen around the world as US insists that the DNS is
> theirs, all theirs?
> 
> 
> Thats is a difficult statement. But it can be proven that when it comes to
> DNS the U.S. has played the lead role and it could easily be argued that the
> DNS is in fact a U.S. invention.
> 
> cheers
> joe baptista
> 
> 
> 
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