Why I DO read JeffreyWilliams sometimes? Re: AW: [governance] no need to feed the trolls
Jaco Aizenman
skorpio at gmail.com
Wed Oct 29 12:41:21 EDT 2008
I do read Jeffrey sometimes because:
0. Sometimes post relevant information.
1. If the claims against him are real, his(*) case is so impressive!, that
he deserves at least an entry in Wikipedia!. ;-)
2. If the claims are not real, he still deserves a Wikipedia entry for being
harassed so much, for so long by educated people..., don´t you think
so...? :-D
(*) The group of people using the name Jeffrey Williams...?.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
> wrote:
> Lleinwachter and all,
>
> Whom is this person? This is the first I ever heard of such a
> fantastically silly thing. I am only the Spokesman for INEGroup.
>
> Me thinks that this person if he/she actually is earnest, is making such
> announcements in jest. I wouldn't pay it much mind.
>
> Further, INEGroup doesn't have anywhere near the 50 ministers
> in any EU governments as members or past members that I am
> aware of. We do have some few that were INEGroup members,
> but sense they have taken office in order to avoid COI, they have
> resigned as members. We also do have members in more than
> 100 countries, most of which have their own chapters accordingly
> and some of them have advisory positions with various governments.
>
> I hope this clarifies...???
>
> Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
>
> > Dear Jeff
> >
> > I met last week a guy from Germany who wants to become a member of the
> German Bundestag after next years elections. He outet himself as member of
> the INEGroup. He told me that they have ministers in more than 50
> governments around the globe and are very active in more than 2000
> online-lists everywhere. And he admires you as the most respected leader and
> godfather of the whole movement. He will organize a "Jeff Williams
> Celebration Day" in 2009 at May, 17, which is also the "World Internet Day".
> One of the purpose of the Day - he expects hundreds of speakers from all
> over the world - is to create a "Jeff Williams Fan Club" (JEWIFAC). The
> JEWIFAC Preparatory Group (PrepGrou) as already asked a world wide known
> composer to write a "Jeff Williams Anthem" in D-Dur. Are you aware of his
> activities and what is your recommendation? How we can help?
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Von: Jeffrey A. Williams [mailto:jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com]
> > Gesendet: Mo 27.10.2008 03:04
> > An: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Betreff: Re: [governance] no need to feed the trolls
> >
> > Jeanette and all,
> >
> > Certainly selective sensorship works. I employ it when and where
> > necessary and justified ethically speaking. I cannot of course say
> > for myself that such applies to myself or any of our INEGroup members.
> > Thankfully Jeanette is one of a tiny few that does. But idologically
> > extream often take such a position...
> >
> > Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > the best thing is to filter emails from Jeffrey and ignore him. This
> > > reduces the noise to those who keep replying to Jeffrey's emails. I
> have
> > > been doing this for years and it works well.
> > > jeanette
> > >
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:
> > > > Adam and all,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Adam, your incorrect. INEGroup is registered and is
> > > > filed with the US FEC. Submitting a FOIA request, which has been
> > > > done on several occasions, will give you the factual information
> > > > via an independant source that you need or desire. Further
> > > > we are registered with Edgar and DOC/NTIA as of 1998 which
> > > > you can check out for yourself if you so choose, also via a
> > > > FOIA request as well. So as always, do your due diligance
> > > > if you desire accordingly.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry everyone else, but Adam is publically here challanging
> > > > me and INEGroup, yet he has never submitted the legally proper
> > > > FOIA request to be making the FALSE statement he is making
> > > > below. However Adam has had from time to time disagreements
> > > > with our members positions and has demonstrated privately
> > > > via Email that he has a personal vendetta, as I would and others
> > > > whom have reviewed independantly those Email at my request,
> > > > discribed such. This is unfortunate and certainly not any of
> > > > my doing. But if you wish, I can forward those Email to any
> > > > of you for your review upon request and a signed non disclosure
> > > > agreement if you provide a mailing address or via forward by
> > > > Email if you have a valid and up to date, Class 2 cert.
> > > >
> > > > But Adam is correct about one thing, that member count in
> > > > my sig file below, is not fully up to date. That is simply because
> > > > I don't yet have an accurate count, but our membership is now
> > > > estimated to be closer to 284,000 members presently. However
> > > > until I recieve an accurate count, I will not be updating my Sig file
> > > > to reflect the correct figure accordingly so as not to be misleading.
> > > >
> > > > Adam Peake wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>> Hi Ian and Parminder,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Would you both like to intervene on these issues of identity crisis
> please?
> > > >> Why?
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeff Williams has been posting to ICANN and general Internet lists
> > > >> for years. You will find plenty of notes about who he is (or is not)
> > > >> and about the claims he makes.
> > > >>
> > > >> He closes every email with a .sig that's patently untrue. There is
> > > >> no INEGroup LLA, no 281k members/stakeholders.
> > > >>
> > > >> You judge if you want to bother replying. I'd suggest best just to
> > > >> ignore him. It's not about substance, some of his emails are as
> sane
> > > >> as anyone else's, some are inflammatory, some are just silly. As the
> > > >> subject lines suggests it's best not to feed the troll. And to use
> > > >> another online cliche... your mileage may vary.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am not Paddy bateman,, but I agree with his/her comment.
> > > >>
> > > >> It would also be best not to continue this thread!
> > > >>
> > > >> Adam
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Paddy bateman
> > > >>> <pbateman.igov at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> > For those who may be tempted to take seriously the posts by Jeff
> Williams,
> > > >>>> please consider that his only role in the Internet community is
> as a
> > > >>>> longstanding troll who has delighted in clogging up multiple
> > > >>>> Internet-related mailing lists with gibberish and lies over the
> past decade.
> > > >>>> It's nothing more than a game for him. The best way of keeping
> this list
> > > >>>> useful is to completely ignore his posts.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> For more background information, see here:
> > > >>> > http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/08030.html
> > > >>>> And if he complains that he he is being defamed by this mail,
> which he
> > > >>>> probably will, and you are tempted to take him seriously, first
> ask him
> > > >>>> where you may be able to find some information about "INEGroup
> LLA", the
> > > >>>> imaginary organization he claims to be spokesperson for. If
> INEGroup LLA
> > > >>>> actually existed, and if it had more than 281,000
> > > >>>> members as he falsely claims in each of his mails, then you would
> think
> > > >>>> there might be some public information available. You'd also
> think that one
> > > >>>> or two of those members might be willing to identify themselves.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> He is playing a game. We are trying to tackle serious issues. We
> do not need
> > > >>>> his distractions.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -pb
> > > >>>>
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards.
> > > >>> --------------------------
> > > >>> Fouad Bajwa
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> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders
> strong!)
> > > > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> > > > Abraham Lincoln
> > > >
> > > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > > > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> > > >
> > > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > > > ===============================================================
> > > > Updated 1/26/04
> > > > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
> > > > div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
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> > > > jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
> > > > My Phone: 214-244-4827
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > Regards,
> >
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> > Abraham Lincoln
> >
> > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> >
> > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > ===============================================================
> > Updated 1/26/04
> > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
> > div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
> > ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
> > jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
> > My Phone: 214-244-4827
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> Regards,
>
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> Abraham Lincoln
>
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> ===============================================================
> Updated 1/26/04
> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
> div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
> jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
> My Phone: 214-244-4827
>
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