[governance] Every Email In UK To Be Monitored
Peter Dambier
peter at peter-dambier.de
Sat Oct 18 10:37:33 EDT 2008
ok, one last reply for today.
I thought the husband of Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary,born 21 April 1926)
was more well known than he is in germany for his sometimes peculiar comments.
He is not king, he is Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.
Forgive me, I am living in a republic not too much fluent in monarchies.
In germany the UK is in the news for more than a year now because of their
weekly data leaks:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Yet-Another-Data-Leak-from-the-UK-Ministry-of-Defense-94403.shtml
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,22803496-15306,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/nov/06/reuters.pressandpublishing
http://www.computing.co.uk/computing/news/2212010/mps-raise-fears-protection
http://www.money.co.uk/article/1001246-data-leak-reported-by-ebay-customer.htm
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/32280
http://news.antispyware.com/?p=58
http://www.webactivemagazine.co.uk/computing/news/2220558/hmrc-blunder-leads-further-4102301
http://www.securecomputing.net.au/News/110931,uks-dwp-admits-pension-details-leak.aspx
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/world/europe/22data.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
If that is not enough then google is your friend.
I am sure when they do start monitoring, google will find all those emails.
Forget all about UK and leaks. It is purely incidental and it has nothing to
do with them sticking their nose everywhere.
And about Crypto AG and the avalanche that brings banking down:
http://mediafilter.org/caq/cryptogate/
http://jya.com/cryptoa2.htm
http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?menu=A11100&no=381337&rel_no=1&back_url=
http://dev.null.org/blog/tags/crypto%20ag
http://farshores.org/sc07nsa2.htm
http://onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBS_AG
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=5394214&page=1
http://www.efinancialnews.com/homepage/content/2451816684
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/12/business/12ubsfw.php
http://www.panamalaw.org/UBS_closing_accounts_of_americans.html
They dont trust me. Why should I trust them?
That is what brought the banks down and looks like it will
bring our civilisation down.
Peter
Rui Correia wrote:
> David
>
> I think you saved a few hundred people the agony of fighting to be nice
> so as not to say what you just said.
>
> Boy! What next: the double-decker red buses must also have to do with
> being a monarchy. In republics, they don't have single deck buses.
>
> And who is King Philip? Would it be King Philip of Spain? He died in
> 1665 - I was not aware that he had a problem with servants listening in
> on his singing.
>
> Rui
>
>
>
> On 18/10/2008, *David Goldstein* <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au
> <mailto:goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au>> wrote:
>
> What utter crap Peter. Maybe you should do a modicum of research
> before you make such dumb, stupid and idiotic comments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Peter Dambier <peter at peter-dambier.de
> <mailto:peter at peter-dambier.de>>
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org <mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org>
> Sent: Saturday, 18 October, 2008 9:02:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [governance] Every Email In UK To Be Monitored
>
> Sorry if I was looking funny.
>
> I literally meant everybody's emails will be visible for
> everybody. That is how british privacy has shown to work.
>
> The "toilet cam" is reality in the UK. They are everywhere
> and they are shown in the public tv. There have been
> divorces because women have seen their husbands in the tv
> meeting another women. They could not but divorce because
> their neighbours have seen it too.
>
> British government is selling used disks with sensitive
> data of all their people including military personal.
>
> The leaks in the UK are institutional.
>
> The UK is a monarchy. King Philip cannot sing a song in the
> bathtub without some servant listening and telling it the
> sun newspaper so all the brits can read it next day.
>
> Of course they feel this natural and they don't understand
> why people from a republic might think different.
>
> Mostly the same goes for Australia. They used to be a jail
> island for the brits and they still are. Every email send by
> an inmate is read same as every email received. Their internet
> is censored and they cannot opt out. Guess where the chinese
> are testing all their hardware.
>
> Of course you know about the banks crisis that might put
> capitalism to its end. But did you know it started when the
> german secrect service leaked information about swiss and
> liechtentein banks. You can read in wikileaks or wikipedia
> how the german service has given money to siemens to buy into
> crypto ag, the company that does the encryption for all the
> banks all over the world.
>
> Every information leaked that was not meant for the public has
> hindered bank business and now the banks have stopped working.
>
> Cordialement
> Peter
>
> Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:
> > Peter and all,
> >
> > My use of tolit cam was meant to be an extreme example
> > of how far it seems that invasion of privacy by the UK government
> > may be willing ot go. I wasn't trying to be funny at all...
> >
> > Peter Dambier wrote:
> >
> >> I wont give the link here - but toilet cam...
> >> You cannot miss them as long as google is not censored.
> >>
> >> I used to be working for a computer company that got
> >> bankrupt - maybe because they watched the toilet cam
> >> all day long and did not have time to build computers.
> >>
> >> In the UK that database means everybody can read it
> >> not only in the UK
> >>
> >> Imagine Monty Python, King Phillip and the Prince of Wales
> >> they are all known for their peculiar sense of humor and
> >> now everybody can read their emails.
> >>
> >> kind regards
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> Sorry to read of this. What's next in the UK, toilet cams
> >>> perhaps? Or perhaps manditory implanted RFID tracking
> >>> chips?
> >>>
> >>> God save the queen! ( Poor woman ) >:(
> >>>
> >>> P.S. But I am sure Stalins soul is getting a reprieve by
> >>> St. Peter...
> >>>
> >>> See:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/UKgovernment/Parliament/DG_078075
> >>>
> >>> The Communications Data Bill (2008) will lead to the creation of
> >>> a single, centralized database containing records of all e-mails
> sent,
> >>> websites visited and mobile phones used by UK citizens. In
> >>> a carnivore-on-steroids programme, as all vestiges of communication
> >>> privacy are stripped away, The BBC reports that Home Secretary
> Jacqui
> >>> Smith says http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7671046.stm this
> >>> is a "necessity".
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
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