[governance] IGF, Hyderabad
William Drake
william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch
Wed Nov 19 21:05:09 EST 2008
Hi,
Thanks Parminder for the suggestion. It's not obvious to me whether
it would be better to start with a small wg (which might be efficient
but also could continue the local ghettoization of the issues) or try
booting up some caucus-wide engagement (which would rapidly become
needed anyway---the WTPF is in the Spring, will have strong
governmental engagement, and hence ought to be of at least as much of
a priority as an IGF conference). It would also be good to check in
with friendly staff and Members to get a clearer sense of where the
ITU's review process is and how best to interface with it.
My suggestion would be that we put this high on the agenda of the
caucus meeting in Hyderabad and think through our approach there. In
the meanwhile I'll be back in Geneva next week and will see if I can
fill in the background a bit more.
Best,
Bill
On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Parminder wrote:
> Bill and Jean-Louis,
>
> We have been seeing some degree of concern over the lack of CS
> engagement with the increasing role that ITU plays in IG and in
> shaping the future of the Internet. Of course some of us have been
> expressing this concern for much longer.
>
> I remember that when I heard a passionate intervention of Bill’s
> during a CS meeting convened by APC in September on the sidelines
> of the MAG consultations, it set me thinking even more about how to
> get IGC to engage with the ITU.
>
> Later there were some more emails on the issue of IP trace-backs
> work being done by the ITU – and I remember one by Fouad – seeking
> a IGC/ CS stand on the issue.
>
> I propose that we shape for more active engagement with ITU, and
> for this we set up an IGF standing working group on ITU engagement,
> or whatever. This group can feed into IGC issues of greatest
> current importance, and those which are soon forthcoming, apart
> from suggesting a longer horizon engagement, and also perhaps their
> views on it, and such. Giving some clear shape to our possible
> engagements with the ITU is also important in view of the
> forthcoming ITU’s “World Telecommunications Policy Forum” early
> next year, which seems to be poised to get into some very
> significant issues. The same group could look into issue of
> structuring CS engagement with the ITU. Wont be bad if we try to
> propose some such structure on behalf of IGC as an entity, and see
> their response.
>
> I propose that Bill, Jean-Louis and Fouad be the initial members of
> this group, and whoever else wants to can opt-in. Since among these
> three, Bill has had the longest engagement with this group, I
> suggest he convenes the group on IGC’s behalf. Others may give
> their comments. Thanks.
>
> Parminder
>
>
>
> From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:40 AM
> To: jlfullsack
> Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] IGF, Hyderabad
>
> Hi Jean-Louis,
>
> Sorry, I don't recall your comments at Eurodig, maybe I was
> emailing or something at the time. But I agree with you that the
> ITU/CS interface, or rather the lack thereof, urgently needs
> attention, especially since there is at least nominally a review
> underway in ITU and it'd be good to be useful to the friendly
> governments that asked for it. I've raised the matter a number of
> times on gov list over the years, suggested interested people
> collaborate, but never managed to stir much interest in this or the
> ITU more generally. If Toure's rather provocative speech in Cairo
> has changed the landscape and people are now concerned about what
> governments, telcos et al are up to in ITU, great. I'd of course
> be happy to talk to you about this stuff, but I don't think the two
> of us alone can do anything that would matter to ITU, the only
> thing that might resonate is a collective engagement.
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:12 PM, jlfullsack wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bill
>
> I beg your pardon for butting in with a personel reminding :
> During the the Eurodig session at Strasbourg you mentioned some
> concerns about the ITU, especially in the field of CS friendliness
> or inclusion. During the following discussion I expressed my
> readiness to join you for looking more closely on different issues
> regarding CS participation in its working and other hot issues
> concerning this UN agency, as to draw up some recommendations for
> the future EURDIC ou whichever MS discussion on IG or general
> international institutions' governance. Would you be so kind for
> answering if you agree on this personal proposal. It's possible for
> me to stay a couple of days in the Geneva area.
>
> All the best
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> Have a look to our website www.csdptt.org where you'll find an
> article (in french) entitled 'L'UIT : la vieille dame des
> télécommunications' which best reflects my own experience with, and
> opinion about, the ITU
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Drake
> To: Governance
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [governance] IGF, Hyderabad
>
> Hi,
>
> The 2nd sounds right, we should meet as early as possible in the
> week, but after GigaNet would be problematic.
>
> Best,
>
> BD
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Parminder wrote:
>
>
> There is a giganet business meeting on 1st evening 17 to 1830 hours.
> Can we then agree to meet on 2nd – 1730 to 1930. Know it is a bit
> late but there isn’t any other opportunity IGC gets to meet, other
> than at IGFs.
> From: Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:03 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: RE: [governance] IGF, Hyderabad
> Either date works for me – early evening to allow those who want to
> take a meal together afterwards would probably suit best.
> Ian Peter
>
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>
> From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
> Sent: 09 November 2008 17:26
> To: 'Ian Peter'; governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: [governance] IGF, Hyderabad
> Ian
> After posting a report on IGC at the IGF, the customary IGC meeting
> at IGF was the next thing I was going to suggest. How does the
> evening of 1st (eve of IGF) or 2nd (day 1 of the IGF) sound to all
> those who will be attending.
> I also was not seeking a statement from the IGC on the way IGF
> should evolve, only seeking to orient the group towards starting to
> engage with this issue. We have a workshop on this issue at the
> IGF, and IGF review process kind of starts from IGF, Hyderabad,
> onwards.
> I agree with what you say, Ian, on starting the election process.
> Parminder
>
>
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