Rudi Rusdiah - APWKomitel [governance] NOMCOM - MAG

Thu Mar 27 13:26:53 EDT 2008

Dear Parminder and friends:

 Thank you for emails about my
status.

 To make it clear , the situation is as follows:

I am heading an association called APWKomitel (
http://www.apwkomitel.org   or
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/APWKomitel/ )  which is nonprofit
organizations which its members are public internet centers(PICs) in
Indonesia and our association participated in WSIS 2005 in Tunis as CS.
APWKomitel is also non government organization  ( or NGO ?)

Public Internet center(PIC)  can be Internet cafe (in Indonesia we
called it as warnet) , Telecenter  etc... some of our member are
profit and some are for nonprofit, majority are SME.
 To be a member
of the association you must own a PIC either profit or non profit... it
happened that I owned an Internet Cafe as well.

 When I
volunteer I represent my organization ( APWKomitel)

 Looking
at the emails , I am also a bit confuse and probably  you may help
define... whether I belong to CS  (or Private sector) from the above
explanation ?

 I look at the definition of CS in wiki as
follows:
 Civil society is composed of the totality
of voluntary civic and social organizations and institutions that form the
basis of a functioning society as opposed to the
force-backed structures of a state (regardless of
that state's political system) and commercial institutions.

 Hope this will clarify my status and again thank you for all your
comments and nomination.
 Regards, Rudi Rusdiah

 Note:

 By the way... I also wonder if the volunteer required
intensive/frequent  travelling... since travelling cost is a big
burden for our associations (APW) which is also my handicap.

 Parminder wrote: 

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Yes, Michael, I
did read about the organization and also saw that it is registered as
civil society organization in the WSIS process. While Rudi could simple
have said, ‘I too volunteer’, and I would have accepted it,
the fact that he said he is volunteering form the “Indonesian
private sector’ does leave me with a
problem.

IGC membership
rules are at present very loosely interpreted, (and we in any case need to
do something about it, as I pointed out in an email a few days back) but
the one rule which does seem to apply – as mentioned in the charter
in the voting section, and on the ballot for voting the lat time we voted
– is of self declaration as belonging to civil
society.

Now,
Rudi’s self declaration violates precisely that rule – which
is the one that seems at present to be the only applied with any
seriousness. In capacity of co-coordinator, who is the custodian of the
charter and IGC processes, it is my duty to seek clarification on this
matter. 

An example to
explain this position will be someone coming on to volunteer, declaring
that he volunteers from xyz government. I would refuse his offer, and seek
clarification. I was only doing what I understand is an organizational
duty.

Parminder

 PS: Since
the volunteers list has to be published today, I will keep Rudi
provisionally on the volunteers list, which will be subject to random
selection process. I will again seek self declaration if he does get to be
on the first 5 list. 

From: Michael Gurstein
[mailto:gurstein at gmail.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:23 AM

To:
governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Parminder'
 Subject: RE: [governance]
NOMCOM - MAG

Parminder,

Based on what
Rudi has said below and what I understand about the role of
Warnets in Indonesia (a rather unique hybrid of a cybercafe and a
telecentre) I would guess that both he and his association would qualify
as CS (they operate as revenue
based community micro-enteprises...

MG

-----Original Message-----
 From: Parminder
[mailto:parminder at itforchange.net] 
 Sent: March 25, 2008 6:22 AM
 To:
governance at lists.cpsr.org
 Subject: [governance] NOMCOM -
MAG
Thanks a lot,
Rudi. We do need more people to volunteer, and especially from different
parts of the world, which may currently be under-represented.

However, I am
not clear about your self-declaration which mentions both private sector
and NGO.

To be a full
member of the IGC one has to self-declare oneself as a civil society
person. Such full membership is necessary to hold caucus appointments,
like being on the nomcom.  And as understood by us, civil society
stands in some kind of a distinction vis a vis governments and governance
institutions on one hand, and private / business sector on the other. This
distinction for us is most valid from the point of view of the principal
political identity and representation a person brings in vis a vis IG
policies and advocacy, the arena of activity of this caucus. 

So responding to
way you have proposed your volunteer-ship as ‘from Indonesia private
sector’ I must seek this clarification from you whether you affirm
yourself to be civil society person, and representing public interest, and
not private and/or business interests, individually or in aggregation, in
terms of your engagement with IG issues. 

I am sorry if
this appears a bit complicated, and I am happy to give any clarification
on this list, or offlist, i.e. in response to an email send to my id
alone. 

Thanks and
Regards

Parminder

From: rusdiah at rad.net.id
[mailto:rusdiah at rad.net.id] 
 Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:00 PM

To:
governance at lists.cpsr.org; karen banks
 Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org;
Rudi Vansnick
 Subject: Rudi Rusdiah - APW - Indonesia
[governance] NOMCOM - MAG 

I am willing to volunteer from Indonesia Private
Sector (NGO) :

 Rudi Rusdiah
 Association of Community
Internet Center - APWKomitel (Asosiasi Pengusaha Warnet)
 (
http://www.apwkomitel.org , community mailing list:
apwkomitel at yahoogroups.com (3,000 members) )
 Jakarta , Indonesia
 GSM: +6281 677 4203
 Fax: +6221 7507545

> hi
 > 
 > as per email parminder, i'm available for
nomcom
 > 
 > karen
 > 
 > At 01:25
20/03/2008, Rudi Vansnick wrote:
 >>I'm willing to serve in the
nomcom.
 >>
 >>Rudi Vansnick
 >>President
- CEO Internet Society Belgium vzw
 >>Board member ISOC-ECC
Barcelona-Spain
 >>EURALO board member

>>/Dendermondesteenweg 143 - B-9070 Destelbergen

>>Belgium
 >>GSM: +32 (0)475 28 16 32
 >>Tel:
+32 (0)70 77 39 39/
 >>http://www.isoc.be
 >>

>>
 >>Parminder schreef:
 >>>

>>>Hi All
 >>>
 >>>

>>>
 >>>I request urgent submission of names by
those ready to volunteer
 >>>for the noncom. We need 25
names to do a random selection of 5, and
 >>>we have till
now only a couple. Pl do it today, preferably.
 >>>

>>>
 >>>
 >>>We need to have a nomcom
as soon as possible.
 >>>
 >>>

>>>Meanwhile the discussion on the issue of how and why of
rotation
 >>>can go on, and the nomcom can pick up the sense
of the group from
 >>>these discussions, and if they wish
engage directly with the group
 >>>for clarifications.
Meanwhile, I will try to evoke discussions on
 >>>key issues
and information that are important for the nomcom to

>>>achieve its purpose.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>Parminder

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