Dear Parminder and friends:<br /> <br /> Thank you for emails about my
status.<br /> <br /> To make it clear , the situation is as follows:<br />
I am heading an association called APWKomitel (
http://www.apwkomitel.org or
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/APWKomitel/ ) which is nonprofit
organizations which its members are public internet centers(PICs) in
Indonesia and our association participated in WSIS 2005 in Tunis as CS.
APWKomitel is also non government organization ( or NGO ?)<br />
Public Internet center(PIC) can be Internet cafe (in Indonesia we
called it as warnet) , Telecenter etc... some of our member are
profit and some are for nonprofit, majority are SME.<br /> To be a member
of the association you must own a PIC either profit or non profit... it
happened that I owned an Internet Cafe as well.<br /> <br /> When I
volunteer I represent my organization ( APWKomitel)<br /> <br /> Looking
at the emails , I am also a bit confuse and probably you may help
define... whether I belong to CS (or Private sector) from the above
explanation ?<br /> <br /> I look at the definition of CS in wiki as
follows:<br /> <strong>Civil society</strong> is composed of the totality
of voluntary civic and social organizations and institutions that form the
basis of a functioning <a title="Society"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society">society</a> as opposed to the
force-backed structures of a <a title="Sovereignty"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty">state</a> (regardless of
that state's political system) and commercial institutions.<br /> <br />
<br /> Hope this will clarify my status and again thank you for all your
comments and nomination.<br /> Regards, Rudi Rusdiah<br /> <br /> Note:
<br /> By the way... I also wonder if the volunteer required
intensive/frequent travelling... since travelling cost is a big
burden for our associations (APW) which is also my handicap.<br /> <br />
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Yes, Michael, I
did read about the organization and also saw that it is registered as
civil society organization in the WSIS process. While Rudi could simple
have said, ‘I too volunteer’, and I would have accepted it,
the fact that he said he is volunteering form the “Indonesian
private sector’ does leave me with a
problem.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">IGC membership
rules are at present very loosely interpreted, (and we in any case need to
do something about it, as I pointed out in an email a few days back) but
the one rule which does seem to apply – as mentioned in the charter
in the voting section, and on the ballot for voting the lat time we voted
– is of self declaration as belonging to civil
society.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Now,
Rudi’s self declaration violates precisely that rule – which
is the one that seems at present to be the only applied with any
seriousness. In capacity of co-coordinator, who is the custodian of the
charter and IGC processes, it is my duty to seek clarification on this
matter. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">An example to
explain this position will be someone coming on to volunteer, declaring
that he volunteers from xyz government. I would refuse his offer, and seek
clarification. I was only doing what I understand is an organizational
duty.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Parminder
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> PS: Since
the volunteers list has to be published today, I will keep Rudi
provisionally on the volunteers list, which will be subject to random
selection process. I will again seek self declaration if he does get to be
on the first 5 list. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight:
bold;">From:</span></font></strong><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Michael Gurstein
[mailto:gurstein@gmail.com] <br /> <strong><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Sent:</span></strong> Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:23 AM<br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></strong>
governance@lists.cpsr.org; 'Parminder'<br /> <strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></strong> RE: [governance]
NOMCOM - MAG</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="blue"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Based on what
Rudi has said below and what I understand about the role of
Warnets in Indonesia (a rather unique hybrid of a cybercafe and a
telecentre) I would guess that both he and his association would qualify
as CS (they operate as revenue
based community micro-enteprises...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="blue"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
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face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Tahoma;">-----Original Message-----<br /> <strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></strong> Parminder
[mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <br /> <strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></strong> March 25, 2008 6:22 AM<br
/> <strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></strong>
governance@lists.cpsr.org<br /> <strong><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Subject:</span></strong> [governance] NOMCOM -
MAG</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Thanks a lot,
Rudi. We do need more people to volunteer, and especially from different
parts of the world, which may currently be under-represented.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">However, I am
not clear about your self-declaration which mentions both private sector
and NGO.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">To be a full
member of the IGC one has to self-declare oneself as a civil society
person. Such full membership is necessary to hold caucus appointments,
like being on the nomcom. And as understood by us, civil society
stands in some kind of a distinction vis a vis governments and governance
institutions on one hand, and private / business sector on the other. This
distinction for us is most valid from the point of view of the principal
political identity and representation a person brings in vis a vis IG
policies and advocacy, the arena of activity of this caucus.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">So responding to
way you have proposed your volunteer-ship as ‘from Indonesia private
sector’ I must seek this clarification from you whether you affirm
yourself to be civil society person, and representing public interest, and
not private and/or business interests, individually or in aggregation, in
terms of your engagement with IG issues. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I am sorry if
this appears a bit complicated, and I am happy to give any clarification
on this list, or offlist, i.e. in response to an email send to my id
alone. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Thanks and
Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Parminder
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight:
bold;">From:</span></font></strong><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> rusdiah@rad.net.id
[mailto:rusdiah@rad.net.id] <br /> <strong><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Sent:</span></strong> Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:00 PM<br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></strong>
governance@lists.cpsr.org; karen banks<br /> <strong><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></strong> governance@lists.cpsr.org;
Rudi Vansnick<br /> <strong><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Subject:</span></strong> Rudi Rusdiah - APW - Indonesia
[governance] NOMCOM - MAG </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">I am willing to volunteer from Indonesia Private
Sector (NGO) :<br /> <br /> Rudi Rusdiah<br /> Association of Community
Internet Center - APWKomitel (Asosiasi Pengusaha Warnet)<br /> (
http://www.apwkomitel.org , community mailing list:
apwkomitel@yahoogroups.com (3,000 members) )<br /> Jakarta , Indonesia<br
/> GSM: +6281 677 4203<br /> Fax: +6221 7507545<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />
> hi<br /> > <br /> > as per email parminder, i'm available for
nomcom<br /> > <br /> > karen<br /> > <br /> > At 01:25
20/03/2008, Rudi Vansnick wrote:<br /> >>I'm willing to serve in the
nomcom.<br /> >><br /> >>Rudi Vansnick<br /> >>President
- CEO Internet Society Belgium vzw<br /> >>Board member ISOC-ECC
Barcelona-Spain<br /> >>EURALO board member<br />
>>/Dendermondesteenweg 143 - B-9070 Destelbergen<br />
>>Belgium<br /> >>GSM: +32 (0)475 28 16 32<br /> >>Tel:
+32 (0)70 77 39 39/<br /> >>http://www.isoc.be<br /> >><br />
>><br /> >>Parminder schreef:<br /> >>><br />
>>>Hi All<br /> >>><br /> >>><br />
>>><br /> >>>I request urgent submission of names by
those ready to volunteer<br /> >>>for the noncom. We need 25
names to do a random selection of 5, and<br /> >>>we have till
now only a couple. Pl do it today, preferably.<br /> >>><br />
>>><br /> >>><br /> >>>We need to have a nomcom
as soon as possible.<br /> >>><br /> >>><br />
>>>Meanwhile the discussion on the issue of how and why of
rotation<br /> >>>can go on, and the nomcom can pick up the sense
of the group from<br /> >>>these discussions, and if they wish
engage directly with the group<br /> >>>for clarifications.
Meanwhile, I will try to evoke discussions on<br /> >>>key issues
and information that are important for the nomcom to<br />
>>>achieve its purpose.<br /> >>><br /> >>><br
/> >>><br /> >>>Parminder<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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