[governance] NOMCOM - MAG nominations

[Michael Gurstein]

Hi Jeanette,

If effective remote participation as a full working member of the group is
now possible that is a very positive development (for CS) and presumably
should be taken into account in the various selection processes.  

MG 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeanette Hofmann [mailto:jeanette at wzb.eu] 
Sent: March 23, 2008 3:54 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein
Cc: 'Adam Peake'
Subject: Re: [governance] NOMCOM - MAG nominations




Michael Gurstein wrote:
> It seems to me that there is some form of contradiction between two
> statements that Adam makes below...
> 
> "Being able to commit the time important, about a
> month/year for travel (MAG meetings are 3 days, IGF 4 days, unless
> the person's based in Europe, travel to Geneva takes a while.) 
> Participating remotely in MAG meetings is possible, CS members have 
> done so."

Hi Michael,

I don't see the contradiction. For example, at the last MAG meeting it 
was a comment from somebody who couldn't attend and participated 
remotely which got the most support from other MAG members. What is 
more, there is the MAG mailing list. People who cannot attend can still 
contribute via email if  they want to.
jeanette
> 
> Based on some notional figures:
> 	30 days travel @ $200/day = $6000
> 	travel costs say 4 trips @ $2000/trip = $8000
> 				Total (not counting work time) = $14,000 +/-
> 
> So, who apart from those who are "professionally" involved in the
> issues under discussion i.e. have some sort of institutional 
> sponsorship (or have private trust funds) will be able to devote a 
> month and $14,000 out of pocket to this effort without: "exploit(ing) 
> membership for their own or their organization's gain" unless CS is 
> populated by a large number of privately wealthy saints.
> 
> I have no objection to the MAG consisting of all
> "professionals"--government, corporate and CS (we'll see who the reps 
> who are funded from LDC's might be) but I think we should be clear 
> about this and recognize that "grassroots" folks and here I'm 
> including those from less than fully endowed CS organizations 
> including from Developed Countries are more or less automatically 
> being excluded here.
> 
> In the Internet Governance area, at least as such is being defined by
> this CS group, I don't think it matters very much as not many ICT4D 
> users (whether in LDCs or in Developed Countries) will have a lot of 
> interest in the issues under discussion; however, I think we as 
> "representing" CS in this space should be at least noting the 
> contradiction above and ensuring that what passes for representivity 
> in the IGF space should not become an overall precedent for other 
> spaces where other and more user oriented "Internet Governance" and 
> ICT4D issues are discussed.
> 
> MG
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Peake [mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp]
> Sent: March 23, 2008 8:32 AM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] NOMCOM - MAG nominations
> 
> ...
> 
> Looks like members from developing countries will be supported 
> financially. Being able to commit the time important, about a 
> month/year for travel (MAG meetings are 3 days, IGF 4 days, unless the 
> person's based in Europe, travel to Geneva takes a while.) 
> Participating remotely in MAG meetings is possible, CS members have 
> done so.
> 
> ...
> 
> MAG members are always going to be volunteers, there's only so much 
> time that a person can devote.  Looking back at WSIS very few of CS 
> caucus and working group coordinators, WGIG members, came did much 
> more that MAG members have been doing, i.e. don't make unrealistic 
> demands. MAG members shouldn't be looking to join the group to exploit 
> membership for their own or their organization's gain, they should put 
> CS interests ahead their own or their organization's.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
>> I figure we still need at least around 4-5 more volunteers. But I
>> think members are opting in, and we will reach the needed number.
>>
>> Parminder
>>
>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: Meryem Marzouki [mailto:marzouki at ras.eu.org]
>>>  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:32 PM
>>>  To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] NOMCOM - MAG nominations
>>>
>>>  Hi Parminder,
>>>
>>>  Please take note that it's Easter week, major holiday in many
>>> countries, including Monday as day off. Is it possible to consider an
>>> extended deadline, e.g. Wednesday, rather than Monday? It's important  
>>> that this process of nominating MAG members doesn't lead to any  
>>> dispute, at least regarding procedural matters.
>>>
>>  > Meryem
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