[governance] User input to Internet architecture work

[Carlos Afonso]

OK, let us read other people's opinions on this, if any.

frt rgds

--c.a.

Phil Regnauld wrote:
> Carlos Afonso (ca) writes:
>> The European 
>> initiative I mention seems to promise this and seems a good start (clearly 
>> the people who created it understand what I am trying to say), but are 
>> there others, would this be the reference on this need etc?
> 
> 	Do they ?  Can you find me an easily locatable document on that website
> 	that clearly illustrates the problem that v4 to v6 transition is facing,
> 	mainly that of IPv4 shortage, and translation mechanisms ?
> 
> 	I can see the names on some of the documents on that website, and
> 	yes, they are knowleddgeable about IPv6, but we don't need
> 	more corporate speak at the moment.  We need more concise, to-the-point
> 	presentations and articles, that while they may be aimed at non
> 	technical people, clearly outline the challenges, which are ALL
> 	TECHNICAL.
> 
> 	What the EU should be doing is what Japan did: coerce public and
> 	private administrations into taking the plunge early, or else face
> 	the consequences (including penalties).  People just don't WANT
> 	to understand these issues until their wallets are affected.
> 
>> There is obviously an effort which ought to be carried out outside of the 
>> laboratories to convince decision-makers of the importance of this process. 
> 
> 	To what effect ?  What are decision makers going to do at this point ?
> 	I'm not blaming them for the mistakes being made, the technical community
> 	(us) didn't wake up and smell the coffee early enough, but I fail
> 	to see 
> 
>> For this, good, updated and reliable, well organized info which the 
>> "mortals" can understand (and grasp its relevance) is crucial.
>>
>> []s fraternos
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> Phil Regnauld wrote:
>>> Carlos Afonso (ca) writes:
>>>> A question for the ones engaged in this interesting thread: is there an 
>>>> Internet space (a Web site or similar) which is trying to consolidate and 
>>>> report regularly on the progress of IPv4->IPv6 transition? I know there 
>>>> are real tests being done in several countries, in large networks, and 
>>>> occasional ones, all bringing interesting conclusions (and best 
>>>> practices), but I have so far not found a space which gives us a vision 
>>>> of the whole process -- in my view, a great need for the ones preparing 
>>>> to (or fearing to) "migrate".
>>>>
>>>> Please note I am not talking about inner techie spaces, but something a 
>>>> journalist or a decision-maker (who is not a network techie) can read and 
>>>> understand. There is the IPv6 European Task Force portal (www.ipv6tf.org) 
>>>> which does something along the lines I am talking about. Is this *the* 
>>>> site people should be visiting?
>>>
>>> 	There is no single site.  There is no single transition.  There, is
>>> 	fact, no real transition to speak of.  IPv4 and IPv6 will coexist
>>> 	for a long time, as they are two different network protocols on the
>>> 	wire.  How far is the transition ?  To answer that question you'd have
>>> 	to actually be able to measure the amount of readyness of every internet-
>>> 	IPv4 connected organisation out there, with regards to IPv6.  This means:
>>>
>>> 	- applications
>>> 	- clients
>>> 	- networks
>>>
>>> 	(that's very much simplified).
>>>
>>> 	If you want to get started, you're still stuck with reading
>>> 	what are mostly technical resources such as:
>>>
>>> 	http://www.civil-tongue.net/clusterf
>>>
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