[governance] User input to Internet architecture work

[Phil Regnauld]

Carlos Afonso (ca) writes:
> The European 
> initiative I mention seems to promise this and seems a good start (clearly 
> the people who created it understand what I am trying to say), but are 
> there others, would this be the reference on this need etc?

	Do they ?  Can you find me an easily locatable document on that website
	that clearly illustrates the problem that v4 to v6 transition is facing,
	mainly that of IPv4 shortage, and translation mechanisms ?

	I can see the names on some of the documents on that website, and
	yes, they are knowleddgeable about IPv6, but we don't need
	more corporate speak at the moment.  We need more concise, to-the-point
	presentations and articles, that while they may be aimed at non
	technical people, clearly outline the challenges, which are ALL
	TECHNICAL.

	What the EU should be doing is what Japan did: coerce public and
	private administrations into taking the plunge early, or else face
	the consequences (including penalties).  People just don't WANT
	to understand these issues until their wallets are affected.

> There is obviously an effort which ought to be carried out outside of the 
> laboratories to convince decision-makers of the importance of this process. 

	To what effect ?  What are decision makers going to do at this point ?
	I'm not blaming them for the mistakes being made, the technical community
	(us) didn't wake up and smell the coffee early enough, but I fail
	to see 

> For this, good, updated and reliable, well organized info which the 
> "mortals" can understand (and grasp its relevance) is crucial.
>
> []s fraternos
>
> --c.a.
>
> Phil Regnauld wrote:
>> Carlos Afonso (ca) writes:
>>> A question for the ones engaged in this interesting thread: is there an 
>>> Internet space (a Web site or similar) which is trying to consolidate and 
>>> report regularly on the progress of IPv4->IPv6 transition? I know there 
>>> are real tests being done in several countries, in large networks, and 
>>> occasional ones, all bringing interesting conclusions (and best 
>>> practices), but I have so far not found a space which gives us a vision 
>>> of the whole process -- in my view, a great need for the ones preparing 
>>> to (or fearing to) "migrate".
>>>
>>> Please note I am not talking about inner techie spaces, but something a 
>>> journalist or a decision-maker (who is not a network techie) can read and 
>>> understand. There is the IPv6 European Task Force portal (www.ipv6tf.org) 
>>> which does something along the lines I am talking about. Is this *the* 
>>> site people should be visiting?
>>
>>
>> 	There is no single site.  There is no single transition.  There, is
>> 	fact, no real transition to speak of.  IPv4 and IPv6 will coexist
>> 	for a long time, as they are two different network protocols on the
>> 	wire.  How far is the transition ?  To answer that question you'd have
>> 	to actually be able to measure the amount of readyness of every internet-
>> 	IPv4 connected organisation out there, with regards to IPv6.  This means:
>>
>> 	- applications
>> 	- clients
>> 	- networks
>>
>> 	(that's very much simplified).
>>
>> 	If you want to get started, you're still stuck with reading
>> 	what are mostly technical resources such as:
>>
>> 	http://www.civil-tongue.net/clusterf
>>
>> 	
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