[governance] Fwd: IGC Membership list

Fri Jun 27 20:16:02 EDT 2008

Avri and all,

  What your and a few other are seeming to desire to do is that
if one wants to vote in the IGC one has to swear fieldty to a
document that they may or may not have had anything to do with
or participated in it's creation and the principals in which is espouses.
I suggest that seem allot like a Byzantine notion.  Haven't "We",
where "We" is all peoples where ever then my be advanced our
society far past such notions?

  Once upon a time I was a member of the Democratic party in
my country, than I became disillusioned circa 1970, and switched
parties to Republican, in a few short years a la Watergate, I became
just as disillusioned again, and became an Independent.  I have been
an Independent ever sense and hope to remain so.

Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think it is al well and good that you are trying to make your point
> by arguing the illegitimacy of the election which elected you.  I do
> think it would have been helpful for you to have done so earlier.
> Though I guess there is no statute of limitation of appeals.  I will,
> of course recuse myself if you and a sufficient number of others do
> bring the previous election up as a matter of appeal.
>
> But to be clear.  At the time, I posted the ballot with the statement
> of support for the charter several weeks to a month before the ballot
> and asked for comments.  There were none, or at least none in the vein
> you now suggest.  Had you commented then in the way you are directing
> now, we would have had this conversation a long time ago.  As I
> remember it also did not come up during the charter discussion.
>
> Another point, contrary to your statement, I did _not_ write most of
> the charter.  While i did produce a starter draft, many other people,
> you as well I believe contributed much to its final form and I do not
> believe it much resembles my first draft.
>
> a.
>
> On 28 Jun 2008, at 09:29, Parminder wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> I think you should have attempted to revise the charter, if only to
> >> clarify the ambiguities you have discovered, a while ago since you
> >> believed as you do - though I guess we would have run into the same
> >> issues over that vote.
> >
> >
> > You held an election as per you interpretation of the charter and also
> > perhaps practical considerations where list participants cast votes
> > without
> > affirming membership as per charter's membership criteria, which is
> > clearly
> > stated as a condition of casting vote in the charter.... Why didn't
> > you
> > rather first initiate a process of amending the charter to say what
> > you went
> > ahead and did...
> >
> > I am highlighting this only to reassert that processes have their
> > practical
> > aspects and that some variances from written text which may
> > subsequently be
> > found perhaps a bit ambiguous can and should be resolved mutually in a
> > constructive spirit.
> >
> >>> We are working within this definition of membership and not outside
> >>> the
> >>> charter as you seem to imply.
> >>
> >>
> >> And that seems to be a matter of opinion.
> >
> >
> > As is of course your opinion that charter needed to amended before...
> >
> > Parminder
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:49 PM
> >> To: Governance Caucus
> >> Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: IGC Membership list
> >>
> >>
> >> On 28 Jun 2008, at 09:10, Parminder wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> We are working within this definition of membership and not outside
> >>> the
> >>> charter as you seem to imply.
> >>
> >>
> >> And that seems to be a matter of opinion.
> >>
> >> I think you should have attempted to revise the charter, if only to
> >> clarify the ambiguities you have discovered, a while ago since you
> >> believed as you do - though I guess we would have run into the same
> >> issues over that vote.
> >>
> >> I reiterate I am not trying to initiate an appeal of your
> >> decision.  I
> >> am just stating my opinion and the actions I will take personally
> >> based on my beliefs.
> >>
> >> a.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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