[governance] Re: Nomcom and conflict of interest
Rui Correia
correia.rui at gmail.com
Mon Jun 2 08:19:10 EDT 2008
Dear Suresh
20 pages??? writing 20 pages??? you must be judging others by your own
verbal incontinence. Unless necessary - eg, for academic purposes - I
can say anything I need to say in less than 50 words.
Perhaps you are mistaking/ mistook me for one of your own.
It would appear that it is you who has lost all semblance of what is
withing propriety to keep on spewing forth all kinds of ......... with
little consideration for the few other thousand on this forum.
Please take it from me: your 'voice' is getting tiring .... On secnd
thounghts, PLEASE, DON'T take it from me; ask YOUR OWN FRIENDS!!!!
Best regards,
Rui
On 02/06/2008, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> No. You are still not seeing the point. Deliberately, I expect.
>
> Try to read others emails instead of writing 20 page emails of your own,
> sometime?
>
>
> Suresh
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:22 PM
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Suresh Ramasubramanian'
> > Cc: 'McTim'; 'Milton L Mueller'; 'Vittorio Bertola'
> > Subject: RE: [governance] Re: Nomcom and conflict of interest
> >
> >
> > > >> 1. He/She needs to have CS cred
> > > >
> > > >This suggests that 'CS credentials' should be used as a key and
> > 'the'
> > >
> > > This suggests that CS cred should be used as a key, yes.
> >
> > Thanks for reasserting. But that's not the operating part of what I
> > said,
> > which, to quote again, was...
> >
> > "This suggests that 'CS credentials' should be used as a key and 'the'
> > central criterion, which will require a clear explanation what the
> > proposer
> > of this criterion really means by it."
> >
> > Did you read the part on requirement of some 'clear explanation' for it
> > to
> > be a meaningful criterion?
> >
> > So, if you prefer that no 'structural distinction' be used to have some
> > level of 'working clarity' for whom we include as CS, and you prefer
> > the
> > qualification of 'CS cred', I am obviously curious to know what you
> > consider
> > as 'CS creds'...
> >
> >
> > I repeat this point because almost all others who have had some
> > reservation
> > on making any structural distinction at all in identifying CS, and CS
> > persons, that is suggested in IGC's WSIS history, in its charter, in
> > majority of discussions on the list, in our Feb statement, and in
> > nomcom's
> > decision, have now spoken of some kind of criterion of 'CS credentials'
> > or
> > 'CS viewpoints'
> >
> > I think they owe it to this discussion to clarify what they mean by
> > this
> > criterion, what could be 'CS credentials' and 'CS viewpoints', and how
> > they
> > can be applied in taking orgs and persons to be civil society or not.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Parminder
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:10 AM
> > > To: Parminder
> > > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'McTim'; 'Milton L Mueller'; 'Vittorio
> > > Bertola'
> > > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: Nomcom and conflict of interest
> > >
> > > Parminder [31/05/08 22:32 +0200]:
> > > >
> > > >> 1. He/She needs to have CS cred
> > > >
> > > >This suggests that 'CS credentials' should be used as a key and
> > 'the'
> > >
> > > This suggests that CS cred should be used as a key, yes.
> > >
> > > >> 2. And needs to declare / satisfy the nomcom about conflicts of
> > > interest
> > > >
> > > >The part of nomcom statement
> > > >"Candidates employed by Internet Governance Organisations - Another
> > > matter
> > > >that emerged was whether to accept candidates who are full time
> > employees
> > > of
> > >
> > > That is exactly what we take issue with. The nomcom exceeded its
> > mandate,
> > > and ignored precedent, by arbitrarily shutting out this section of
> > > candidates.
> > >
> > > It also introduced a strong element of bias into the process. Yes,
> > there
> > > are similarly chartered organizations to the RIRs that might align
> > much
> > > better with intl org rather than cs, but the RIRs themselves are much
> > > closer to CS than those, and they are also eager to work with CS.
> > Shutting
> > > them out and maintaining a "us versus them" mentality rather than an
> > open
> > > mind is definitely not appropriate.
> > >
> > > >suggests that the nomcom satisfied itself, and decided, that certain
> > > >structural situation, as described, involved a conflict of interest.
> > >
> > > Indeed, and who then authorized the nomcomm to make this unilateral
> > > decision without coming back to the caucus? Rule 5 as McTim points
> > out?
> > >
> > > suresh
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