[governance] Re: Nomcom and conflict of interest

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

No. You are still not seeing the point. Deliberately, I expect.

Try to read others emails instead of writing 20 page emails of your own,
sometime?

	Suresh


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:22 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Suresh Ramasubramanian'
> Cc: 'McTim'; 'Milton L Mueller'; 'Vittorio Bertola'
> Subject: RE: [governance] Re: Nomcom and conflict of interest
> 
> 
> > >> 1. He/She needs to have CS cred
> > >
> > >This suggests that 'CS credentials' should be used as a key and
> 'the'
> >
> > This suggests that CS cred should be used as a key, yes.
> 
> Thanks for reasserting. But that's not the operating part of what I
> said,
> which, to quote again, was...
> 
> "This suggests that 'CS credentials' should be used as a key and 'the'
> central criterion, which will require a clear explanation what the
> proposer
> of this criterion really means by it."
> 
> Did you read the part on requirement of some 'clear explanation' for it
> to
> be  a meaningful criterion?
> 
> So, if you prefer that no 'structural distinction' be used to have some
> level of 'working clarity' for whom we include as CS, and you prefer
> the
> qualification of 'CS cred', I am obviously curious to know what you
> consider
> as 'CS creds'...
> 
> 
> I repeat this point because almost all others who have had some
> reservation
> on making any structural distinction at all in identifying CS, and CS
> persons, that is suggested in IGC's WSIS history, in its charter, in
> majority of discussions on the list, in our Feb statement, and in
> nomcom's
> decision, have now spoken of some kind of criterion of 'CS credentials'
> or
> 'CS viewpoints'
> 
> I think they owe it to this discussion to clarify what they mean by
> this
> criterion, what could be 'CS credentials' and 'CS viewpoints', and how
> they
> can be applied in taking orgs and persons to be civil society or not.
> Thanks.
> 
> Parminder
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:10 AM
> > To: Parminder
> > Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'McTim'; 'Milton L Mueller'; 'Vittorio
> > Bertola'
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Re: Nomcom and conflict of interest
> >
> > Parminder [31/05/08 22:32 +0200]:
> > >
> > >> 1. He/She needs to have CS cred
> > >
> > >This suggests that 'CS credentials' should be used as a key and
> 'the'
> >
> > This suggests that CS cred should be used as a key, yes.
> >
> > >> 2. And needs to declare / satisfy the nomcom about conflicts of
> > interest
> > >
> > >The part of nomcom statement
> > >"Candidates employed by Internet Governance Organisations - Another
> > matter
> > >that emerged was whether to accept candidates who are full time
> employees
> > of
> >
> > That is exactly what we take issue with. The nomcom exceeded its
> mandate,
> > and ignored precedent, by arbitrarily shutting out this section of
> > candidates.
> >
> > It also introduced a strong element of bias into the process. Yes,
> there
> > are similarly chartered organizations to the RIRs that might align
> much
> > better with intl org rather than cs, but the RIRs themselves are much
> > closer to CS than those, and they are also eager to work with CS.
> Shutting
> > them out and maintaining a "us versus them" mentality rather than an
> open
> > mind is definitely not appropriate.
> >
> > >suggests that the nomcom satisfied itself, and decided, that certain
> > >structural situation, as described, involved a conflict of interest.
> >
> > Indeed, and who then authorized the nomcomm to make this unilateral
> > decision without coming back to the caucus? Rule 5 as McTim points
> out?
> >
> > 	suresh
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