[governance] Reconstituting MAG (Tech/admin language)

[Guru]

Thanks for the ideas Avri.

As you suggest, it is useful to recognise that an individual may wear
multiple hats at a point in time and trying to understand the 'nature of
stakeholder representation' of an individual will require some attention to
the facts of the case as well. In this your  suggestion that 'identity' of
being employees/members of the board of an organization would be an
important factor, is quite valid. 

In any case, it would be useful, even necessary to discuss this as a part of
the MAG reconstitution. We are nearly halfway down the initial stipulated
life of 5 years of the IGF/MAG and it may not be considered early to have
clarity on such basic issues as these. 

Regards,
Guru

-----Original Message-----
From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:48 AM
To: Governance Caucus
Subject: Re: [governance] Reconstituting MAG (Tech/admin language)

Hi,

I don't think that I went so far as to say, or consider, the Secretariat
would take offense, nor do i think I used, or even thought of, the word
'allegation'.  In fact I was trying to avoid making any statement at all,
but rather was trying to ask a question.

I merely asked for a reference regarding the Secretariat's perceptions on
this.  If someone can point me to such a statement I would be happy to take
the question to the Secretariat and see if I can get a reading on it.  I can
also ask a direct question.  But which question would I be asking:

a. are organizations such as ICANN, ISOC, IETF, IAB, the RIRs etc considered
CS?
b. are organizations such as ICANN, ISOC, IETF, IAB, the RIRs etc considered
International Organizations?
c. were any of the original CS designated members of the Advisory Group also
representatives of a Internet community entity?

or some other variant?

One thought I would contribute on my own, is that often the decision may
have been made on the skills and expertise the individual qua individual
brought to the AG and not the association or associations a person may have
had at the time.  Also many people have multiple  
associations that evolve over time.   I would think that a person  
would be the representative of a entity such as ICANN, ISOC etc.. if, and
only if, they were an employee or on the board.  But that is just my
personal view.

I also don't have the clearest memory of the original selection process, but
I do remember that many civil society groupings besides the IGC sent in
lists of recommendations, and if a name showed on the list of a CS
organization, then the person would probably have been considered a CS
selection if they were chosen.

a.

On 19 Feb 2008, at 12:35, Guru wrote:

> Hi Avri,
>
> Do you think the IGF secretariat will take offence to this 
> 'allegation' of having perceived 'entities .....such as ICANN, RIR and 
> IETF are CS'.
> I am
> happy to hear that. For it may help to solve a strange riddle that 
> some of us are caught in  -  whether ICANN plus is CS! ...  Some IGC 
> members seem to believe so... If only the IGF secretariat can issue a 
> disclaimer a major problem in the IGC will solved :-)
>
> Regards,
> Guru
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:53 PM
> To: Governance Caucus
> Subject: Re: [governance] Reconstituting MAG (Tech/admin language)
>
>
> On 19 Feb 2008, at 08:49, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>
>> The problem is > that the Internet administration organizations'
> insistence that they > are CS, or their perception as such by the IGF
> Secretariat, is partly > responsible for reducing the size of the CS  
> element
> on the MAG.
>
> Hi,
>
> Can you point out to me where the IGF secretariat has perceived that
> entities (word chosen to avoid the current discussion of whether  
> they are
> IOs or not) such as ICANN, RIR and IETF are CS?
>
> Thanks
> a.
>
>

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