[governance] Reconstituting MAG

[Lee McKnight]

Suresh, Parminder,

I think it is a tactical error for CS to push away the international
Internet orgs. I would like us to lay claim to them all as meant to
serve global civil society's interests.   Of course when/if they fall
short then there are grounds for criticism. Some might think of them
more as industry self-regulatory bodies, but we should be trying to lay
claim to them ourselves, in my opinion. Even if there's sniping from
both sides.

We all agree on the need for more CS representation in MAG 2.0 right? 
So let's leave it at that, and raise the issue of whether the tech/admin
orgs get their own category or not as an open question.

The concrete suggestion is to state clearly the need to increase CS 
representation in MAG, which is already done, and leave the coalescence
of the new category as an ongoing process. Which we want to have happen
with CS objectives in mind.  

Lee



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Syracuse University
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>>> suresh at hserus.net 02/18/08 9:31 AM >>>
It wont - in fact it will never happen.  Given that this particular
group of
people considers various internet technical bodies "not CS", doesn't
like
the liberal ideology of quite a few people participating in such bodies
..
and even Jeremy seems to have a lot of misconceptions about the level of
"governance"  the IETF, for example, can exercise.

So, question: Has all the discussion on this multiple hundred post
thread
been, ultimately, useless, and aimed at proposing something that's going
to
fall flat?

	srs

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Afonso [mailto:ca at rits.org.br]
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:25 AM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Milton L Mueller
> Subject: Re: [governance] Reconstituting MAG
> 
> I am one of the ones who said I feel it won't happen, but added that
if
> there is any reduction, it will not be on the governments' side. This
> is
> UN, an intergovernmental body. They would prefer to enlarge it to
> accommodate our plea of more representation (if we had the
leverage...)
> rather than think of a reduction.
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> Milton L Mueller wrote:
> > I do support calling for reduction in the number. I do not recall
any
> > real "opposition" to it, just people who think that it won't happen.
> We
> > certainly cannot claim that there is consensus on the number 40,
> since
> > the preponderance of opinion as far as I can see is against that
> large a
> > number.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also support those who warned you against getting involved in
> specific
> > numbers games and proportional quotas. It is enough to say that CS
is
> > underrepresented.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
> >
> >
> >
> > Milton, Meryem, McKnight and others who have reservation on the
> number
> > 40 - do you want the sentence 'We think that 40 is a good number for
> MAG
> > members' struck off. I  am unable to specifically call for reducing
> the
> > number since there seems to be considerable opposition to this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some members seemed in favor of putting some mathematics in the
> > statement to make a clear case for increased number for CS.  For
this
> > reason I do have to go by the present number 40, in this part of the
> > statement. Meryem, you wanted me not to quote the number that can be
> > reserved for the International Internet orgs reps - but I have gone
> by
> > the number 6 which a few of us quoted, because that allows me to
> > complete the calculations for the asked for CS numbers. In any case
> this
> > number is clearly against a total of 40, so there can be no
confusion
> > about how this number may be interpreted.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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