[governance] Reconstituting MAG

[Michael Gurstein]

Hmmm...

Separated by a common language...

Suresh seems to be using the term "California Liberal" to refer (as US folks
often do) to the propensity of certain highly visible Californians to
support the liberal/left Democrats (Barbara Streisand for example);
Parminder seems to be using the term "Californian Ideology"/"neo-liberals"
(following Bradbrook and others and as folks in LDC's often do) to refer to
the "neo-liberalism" (of the (Milton) Friedmanite/Boys from Chicago) strand
of "libertarianism" found particularly among certain folks from Silicon
Valley.

(or have I got that wrong somewhere...

MG

-----Original Message-----c
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] 
Sent: February 18, 2008 6:31 AM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Carlos Afonso'; 'Milton L Mueller'
Subject: RE: [governance] Reconstituting MAG


It wont - in fact it will never happen.  Given that this particular group of
people considers various internet technical bodies "not CS", doesn't like
the liberal ideology of quite a few people participating in such bodies ..
and even Jeremy seems to have a lot of misconceptions about the level of
"governance"  the IETF, for example, can exercise.

So, question: Has all the discussion on this multiple hundred post thread
been, ultimately, useless, and aimed at proposing something that's going to
fall flat?

	srs

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Afonso [mailto:ca at rits.org.br]
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:25 AM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Milton L Mueller
> Subject: Re: [governance] Reconstituting MAG
> 
> I am one of the ones who said I feel it won't happen, but added that 
> if there is any reduction, it will not be on the governments' side. 
> This is UN, an intergovernmental body. They would prefer to enlarge it 
> to accommodate our plea of more representation (if we had the 
> leverage...) rather than think of a reduction.
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> Milton L Mueller wrote:
> > I do support calling for reduction in the number. I do not recall 
> > any real "opposition" to it, just people who think that it won't 
> > happen.
> We
> > certainly cannot claim that there is consensus on the number 40,
> since
> > the preponderance of opinion as far as I can see is against that
> large a
> > number.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also support those who warned you against getting involved in
> specific
> > numbers games and proportional quotas. It is enough to say that CS 
> > is underrepresented.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
> >
> >
> >
> > Milton, Meryem, McKnight and others who have reservation on the
> number
> > 40 - do you want the sentence 'We think that 40 is a good number for
> MAG
> > members' struck off. I  am unable to specifically call for reducing
> the
> > number since there seems to be considerable opposition to this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some members seemed in favor of putting some mathematics in the 
> > statement to make a clear case for increased number for CS.  For 
> > this reason I do have to go by the present number 40, in this part 
> > of the statement. Meryem, you wanted me not to quote the number that 
> > can be reserved for the International Internet orgs reps - but I 
> > have gone
> by
> > the number 6 which a few of us quoted, because that allows me to 
> > complete the calculations for the asked for CS numbers. In any case
> this
> > number is clearly against a total of 40, so there can be no 
> > confusion about how this number may be interpreted.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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