[governance] Comments on Rio - Suggestions for Delhi - main

[Michael Gurstein]

I think the issue here is whether CS is seen as a "category" (estate?) or as
a "movement" (having shared values for example).  The notion of CS in most
LDC's and dare I say for most of those globally who identify with CS is
certainly oriented towards the "movement" side of the ledger.

When we start thinking (only) about institutional issues as seems to be the
current pre-occupation with this group, then of course the matters of CS as
a "category" seem to become most prominent.  

My major concern is that in presenting CS only as a "category" (for
representational purposes) we seem to be losing sight of what motivates a
lot of those with an active involvement in CS which is presenting and
promoting our shared values (which we don't seem to be bringing to the fore
very much and which could very much use a re-translation and re-articulation
in the context of Internet Governance and ICT's overall...

Mike Gurstein

-----Original Message-----
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] 
Sent: February 14, 2008 8:19 AM
To: Parminder
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'McTim'
Subject: Re: [governance] Comments on Rio - Suggestions for Delhi - main


Parminder [14/02/08 21:35 +0530]:
>But I thought I had made a clear distinction between some people 
>involved with these organization (though their centrality to the power 
>structure within these organizations will still be an important issue) 
>being CS and these organizations themselves being considered a  part of 
>CS. Is there not a huge difference between these two formulations.

When you get a large number of the participants in these organizations
(large enough to be a non trivial percentage of the participants) having
solid CS credentials, and most of the rest with attitudes that approximate
to "california liberal".. you might find it wiser to recognize those
associations as CS

A trade union for, say, an airport's air traffic control employees, or a
city transit union with bus and metro rail drivers, has a similar
monopolistic hold over services at a large airport or a city. Ever been in
calcutta during one of those periodic bangla bandhs the communist govt
affiliated trade unions love to call all the time?

Your argument still doesnt hold. And even if it does its a dangerous trend
you are advocating. And theres a slippery enough slope for other
stakeholders to start excluding CS if you advocate such limits.
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