[governance] Re: [IGP-ANNOUNCE] IGP Alert: Reforming ICANN

[Carlos Afonso]

Fine, OK.

frt rgds

--c.a.

Lee McKnight wrote:
> OK, OK.
> 
> What I meant was 'not subordinated to anyone by IGP's proposal, that
> ICANN has not already voluntarily agreed should play an oversight role.'
> 
> 
> And yeah, as Milton noted, there is that IANA contract, which doesn't go
> away just because of IGF having a soft, community-agreed, oversight
> function.
> 
> Lee
> 
> Prof. Lee W. McKnight
> School of Information Studies
> Syracuse University
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>>>> ca at rits.org.br 02/06/08 8:53 PM >>>
> Wow, Lee, bold statement: "not subordinated to anyone". So I guess the
> zillions of pages written on how and why Icann should free itself from
> the US government was actually about how many camels fit on a pinhead...
> 
> Grande descoberta!
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Lee McKnight" <lmcknigh at syr.edu>
> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>,<avri at psg.com>
> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:43:50 -0500
> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [IGP-ANNOUNCE] IGP Alert: Reforming ICANN
> 
>> Avri,
>>
>> I don't think we are talking about a radical change in IGF, more of a
>> recognition of what de facto is already happening.
>>
>> ICANN is not subordinated to anyone. ICANN has voluntarily
>> participated
>> in IGF from its founding, and organized sessions.
>>
>> At those sessions, people have made positive and negative comments,
>> and
>> offered on-target and perhaps also off-target feedback to ICANN.
>>
>> So we're just saying look at what's going on already at IGF, project
>> ahead to where this is leading, and isn't that preferrable to keeping
>> ICANN on a JPA leash indefinitely.  
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> Prof. Lee W. McKnight
>> School of Information Studies
>> Syracuse University
>> +1-315-443-6891office
>> +1-315-278-4392 mobile
>>>>> avri at psg.com 02/06/08 5:16 PM >>>
>> <currently under temporary part-time contract to the IGF secretariat 
>> and an ICANN volunteer, but writing from my own perspective>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I do not expect that the reason people might be against has to do
>> with  
>> laziness. I think it might have to do with the nature of the IGF as a
>>  
>> safe forum where everyone can meet to discuss the issues as peers,  
>> including ICANN.  The IGP proposal would not only subordinate ICANN
>> to  
>> the rest of the peers, but would also force the group into becoming a
>>  
>> decision making body.  This would seem to me to be a radical change
>> in  
>> the nature of the forum.
>>
>> Now, one could argue that the IGF should be a decision making body,  
>> but most seem to believe that this is not what it was chartered to  
>> be.  Also I expect that even if such were to be seen as a reasonable 
>> step in a possible evolution of the IGF, and I am _not_ thinking it  
>> is, it is certainly not a step that the IGF seems ready for.  At
>> least  
>> it does not seem that way to me.
>>
>> a.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 Feb 2008, at 22:05, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>
>>> Some perceptive comments, Parminder.
>>>
>>>> So which is this IGF that wont like an ICANN accountable
>>>> to it.... and why ?????
>>> The reason is that asking IGF to develop a process to review ICANN 
>>> is like asking me or you to do calisthenics or go running every  
>>> morning at 7 am. It is demanding work. It is far more comfortable
>> to  
>>> sleep. The requested subject may know perfectly well that
>> performing  
>>> this work is good for its health, and in fact may prolong its life 
>>> for many years. But it still may not welcome the effort.
>>> Milton Mueller
>>> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
>>> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Internet Governance Project:
>>> http://internetgovernance.org
>>>
>>>
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