[governance] Nitin Desai's two groups

Tue Dec 2 23:25:34 EST 2008

Guru and all,

  The time for debate or bridging is past.  The time for directed and
greater good action has come.  Missing these opertunities and
challanges at the expense of debate and discussions of reconciliation
demonstrates a lack of effective and useful leadership.  The "Nevel
Chamberlin" factor, need not and must not prevail.

Guru wrote:

> Dear Ian
>
> The second group is not only some governments ... the 'open letter to
> IGF' that ITfC and other organizations have written identifies
> 'democratic deficit' as a key IGF concern for CS as well. This letter
> has been endorsed by CS institutions and individuals across the world,
> more so from the geopolitical south.
>
> Unless we discuss/address (if not resolve) these issues that make IGF
> ineffective, we run the risk of playing into the hands of those who
> want to declare the IGF a failure
>
> As CS (including IGC) we have a strong interest and belief in IGF and
> should put our efforts at bridging the gap between the two groups ...
> which is to address the democratic deficit at IGF
>
> regards,
> Guru
>
> Ian Peter wrote:
>
>>  I too though Desai's quote was excellent - but I do interpret it a
>> bit
>> differently, in that governments as I see it sit in the second group
>> who
>> want more say and/or more power. That's an interesting dynamic.
>>
>>
>>
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jeremy Malcolm [mailto:jeremy at ciroap.org]
>> > Sent: 03 December 2008 22:42
>> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> > Subject: [governance] Nitin Desai's two groups
>> >
>> > I just touched on this at igfwatch.org, but I felt it was worth
>> > highlighting here too in view of the debate at last night's IGC
>> > meeting about whether we should on the one hand push the IGF to
>> > achieve more, or on the other hand stay quiet to avoid giving
>> > ammunition to the IGF's enemies.
>> >
>> > As you will guess it is my view that we would be doing civil
>> > society a
>> > disservice to stay quiet for fear of damaging what we have in the
>> > IGF
>> > as it already exists.  But what is more interesting than what I
>> > think
>> > is that Nitin Desai said during the opening ceremony.  In his view
>> > the
>> > contention over the appropriate role of the IGF is very much a live
>> > issue.  He stated:
>> >
>> >
>> >>  essentially, this is a dialogue between two groups of people ...
>> >>  and
>> >>  we must face up to that reality. On the one hand, we have a group
>> >>  of
>> >>  people who feel that the present modalities of management of the
>> >>  Internet are working, will work, even in the future, who are
>> >>  afraid
>> >>  that any major change in the way in which these arrangements are
>> >>  set
>> >>  up would compromise the Internet in some form. And on the other
>> >>  hand, we have a lot of people who are dependent on the Internet
>> >>  for
>> >>  their activities, for the economic, social, political, whatever,
>> >>  who
>> >>  feel that they have to have a say in the public policy issues
>> >>  which
>> >>  affect how the Net runs in this manner. These are essentially the
>> >>  two groups who are in dialogue here.
>> >>
>> > So if we were to leave this campaign half-finished and concede it
>> > to
>> > the group who are satisfied with the status quo of Internet
>> > governance, in some sense that would be the end of the dialogue
>> > that
>> > Nitin Desai describes, leaving it as a self-satisfied monologue of
>> > powerful governments and private sector actors.  In that case, what
>> > purpose does the IGC see itself as serving?
>> >
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