[governance] Two outrageous stories of so-called

Jeffrey A. Williams jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Sat Aug 23 21:32:26 EDT 2008


George and all,

  In theory, I could not agree more.  In practice what you suggest
is far more difficult on a global or even national scale.

George Sadowsky wrote:

> Perhaps it is useful to see IPR in the focus of a 'rights' argument,
> but I think of it more with respect to development. It's possible that
> no one is going to care that Microsoft has patented PgUp/PgDn, an I
> can't see Microsoft demanding royalties on every keyboard with those
> keys and from every software program that has such functionality, but
> such patents, an their corresponding copyrights, erode the amount of
> knowledge an the degrees of freedom available for education and
> development.  It's not any one such action that is serious, but the
> culture that encourages the privatization, and the subsequent
> monetization, of intellectual property that is corrosive and
> counterproductive in terms of the public
> interest. George ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At
> 11:44 AM +0530 8/24/08, Parminder wrote:
>
>> > The two patents APPROVED this month are described below..
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>> Thanks George for this information.
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>> > Then take action to demand a complete overhaul of the patent
>> system.
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>> Indeed, for overhaul of the complete intellectual property 'right'
>> system.
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>> This fits into the 'rights' debate we are having. In fact, after
>> discussing education as a positive right and cultural rights and
>> 'right to development' as collective rights, the next issue I wanted
>> to engage Milton was on the basis and meaning of property rightsŠ
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>> He seems to classify it as a basic and 'real' right. To quote him "Š
>> an extension of other basic rights, such as property rightsŠ"
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>> I don't think the way the notion of property today is 'legally and
>> systemically constructed' can be seen from within the framework of
>> negative rights. I mean a kind of 'this is my pile of stones I
>> collected, and is in my space, and you stick to your pile in your
>> space' kind of formulation. So that mere non-incursion assures
>> achieving of 'rights' which is the definition of negative rights.
>> Property rights are increasingly a framework of social and political
>> distribution of resources, attuned to some extent (and some extent
>> only) with individual's productive efforts, and need for incentive
>> for productive work.
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>
>> IPRs look even lesser like negative rights. In fact the right of
>> anyone to do whatever one wants with an idea one picks up - without
>> anyone else loosing that idea - looks more of a negative right..
>> That would be some form of right to access knowledge. Strong
>> institutional structures preventing people from using ideas, which
>> are needed to safeguard IPR, looks quite a 'positive' act.
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>>
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>> It is not enough to assert (if one does) that CS doesn't give IPR
>> the status of a right. IPR is becoming the basic organizing
>> principle of new economic relationships/ order- and thereby social
>> and political ones. Its claims are often taken to supersede many
>> other social and political priorities/ rights - like the 'three
>> strikes' rule for IPR violation - whereby there is a move to allow
>> even private parties - ISPs - to unilaterally act in defense of such
>> a 'right'. Even if such an action of safeguarding IPR is to the
>> detriment of other rights that access to Internet enables (whereby a
>> 'right to the Internet' itself may be valid).
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>> IPR definition and enforcement is becoming such an over-arching
>> political priority that it can definitely be considered as a strong
>> form of a 'right in practice'..  Fighting this needs assertion of
>> right to access knowledge as a stronger right. And in terms of the
>> digital environment, also an assertion of a 'right to the Internet'.
>
>>
>
>> CS cant remain blind to these powerful forces, and claims of
>> 'rights' that underpin fundamental information society changes, and
>> keep sticking to some essentialist notions of rights.
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>
>> Parminder
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>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: George Sadowsky [mailto:george.sadowsky at attglobal.net]
>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:51 PM
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> Subject: [governance] Two outrageous stories of so-called
>> "intellectual property protection"
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>>
>
>> The two patents APPROVED this month are described below below.
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>>
>
>> It's truly remarkable that such giants of of the information
>> industry can make such unbelievable leaps into the future.
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>
>> I first thought that these were clever jokes.  They are not.  If you
>> don't believe them, check them in:
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>> http://patft.uspto.gov/
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>> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=7,407,089&OS=7,407,089&RS=7,407,089
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>> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=7,415,666&OS=7,415,666&RS=7,415,666
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>> or just Google the patent numbers for some interesting commentary.
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>> Then take action to demand a complete overhaul of the patent system.
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>>
>
>> George
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>> AWARDED TO IBM!
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>> On Tuesday, IBM was granted US Patent No. 7,407,089
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>>  for storing a preference for paper or plastic grocery bags on
>> customer cards and displaying a picture of said preference after a
>> card is scanned. The invention, Big Blue explains, eliminates the
>> 'unnecessary inconvenience for both the customer and the cashier'
>> that results when 'Paper or Plastic?' must be asked. The patent
>> claims also cover affixing a cute sticker of a paper or plastic bag
>> to a customer card to indicate packaging preferences.
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>> AWARDED TO MICROSOFT!
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>> United States Patent 7,415,666
>> Sellers ,   et al.August 19, 2008
>> Method and system for navigating paginated content in page-based
>> increments
>>
>> Abstract
>
>> A method and system in a document viewer for scrolling a
>> substantially exact increment in a document, such as one page,
>> regardless of whether the zoom is such that some, all or one page is
>> currently being viewed. In one implementation, pressing a Page Down
>> or Page Up keyboard key/button allows a user to begin at any
>> starting vertical location within a page, and navigate to that same
>> location on the next or previous page. For example, if a user is
>> viewing a page starting in a viewing area from the middle of that
>> page and ending at the bottom, a Page Down command will cause the
>> next page to be shown in the viewing area starting at the middle of
>> the next page and ending at the bottom of the next page. Similar
>> behavior occurs when there is more than one column of pages being
>> displayed in a row.
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>> --
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