[governance] Re: USG on ICANN - no movement here

[Jeffrey A. Williams]

Parminder and all,

  Frankly, I got the impression that John argued himself into
a circle.  Further, John's associations with whomever is of little
consequence to me, and never will be.

  Parminder, I don't have the impresion that you are in any way
obnoxious in any way what so ever.  You have an opinion as
most thinking people do.  Nothing what so ever wrong with that,
even if I or anyone else disagrees.  I never really liked "Yes Men"
as it were, and likely never will.  Reasoned decision making however
skewed, is far more preferable, even if that reasoned decision
differs from my own.

Parminder wrote:

> > Perhaps cultural norms differ, but around here, attacking straw man
> > arguments that someone else didn't make isn't a tactic that you use if
> > you could have made a real argument instead.
>
> John
>
> (With "around here" you mean 'in the US', right?)
>
> So, you are attacking my culture now. Sorry to say this, but I think you are
> losing all sense of basic decency.
>
> You may have a case that I am personally doing something undesirable or even
> obnoxious,  but what do you mean by "> Perhaps cultural norms differ, but
> around here,....".
>
> You are basically saying that this particular "obnoxious-ness" may be in my
> culture.
>
> If I go to some other part of multi-cultural India and say - 'cultural norms
> differ, and I don't know how it is in your culture, but in my culture we do
> things sensibly and honorably' I am likely to invite mob violence.
>
> I request IGC members to take note to the above utterance of John Levine,
> and give their views on it, before I mention how I characterize it, because
> he seems to have friends in high places on this list and I need to guard my
> words much more than the regular list posters do.
>
> I did wait a whole day before I report this, hoping that someone else will.
>
> Parminder
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Levine [mailto:icggov at johnlevine.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 8:20 PM
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Cc: parminder at itforchange.net
> > Subject: [governance] Re: USG on ICANN - no movement here
> >
> > >Yes, I know John said that it is the ICANN which needs adult supervision
> > of
> > >the US. But what you are ignoring is that he also said that ---
> > developing
> > >country governments "in reality . know that ICANN desperately needs the
> > >DOC's adult supervision".
> >
> > Could you point out where I said anything at all about developing
> > country governments?
> >
> > Perhaps cultural norms differ, but around here, attacking straw man
> > arguments that someone else didn't make isn't a tactic that you use if
> > you could have made a real argument instead.
> >
> > Once again, I am impressed at the many ways that people find to waste
> > time rather than to address governance issues.
> >
> > R's,
> > John
> >
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