[governance] Taking down a site [was: beijing ticket scam]

Tue Aug 5 19:53:27 EDT 2008

Rui and all,

  I fully agree.  So what is your problem?

Rui Correia wrote:

> Dear Milton, Ian Peter, Jeffrey and others
>
> I am personally a defender of freedom of expression. However, like any
> other right, the right to freedom of expression has limitations, such
> as on child pornography incitement to violence etc, which are
> considered crimes in most legislatins. Racism too is consided a crime
> in many legislations.
>
> The site I am referring too is a  discussion forum with the same name
> as a right wing white para-political organisation. It advocates
> independence for the Afrikaner and dispalys the flags of the old Boere
> republics and the old South African flag as well as other symbols of
> Afrikaner nationalism.
>
> The tenor of the discussions is extremely racist, referring to blacks
> as "kaffirs" and "baboons"; containg commenst to the effect that
> Botswana's economy flourishes only thanks to the whites; suggesting
> that "they" to do not try "here" (South Africa) what "they" did in
> "Rhodesia" (Zimbabwe) etc.
>
> That is only on the page on which I happened to land during a google search.
>
> On 05/08/2008, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Ian, Rui, and all,
> >
> >   Not a difficult problem to deal with at all.  All Rui needs to do
> >  is block the Domain Name and he shall not recieve any more
> >  traffic from that DN.  Problen solved.  Now that said, it on the
> >  other had he is attempting to seek broad censor of that DN,
> >  than yes, contacting his countries authorities might be in order,
> >  as long as he has good reason to seek such a censor.
> >
> >
> >  Ian Peter wrote:
> >
> >  > Hi Rui,
> >  >
> >  > Not sure I am best to answer, but as you addressed this to me I'll attempt a
> >  > reply and invite others closer to this to also pass on information.
> >  >
> >  > Sounds like this is not a police matter. If it was breaking a law in your
> >  > country, that's a good place to start. If so, then they might be able to do
> >  > something in taking a site down if the site happens to have an owner, a
> >  > registry, a registrar, a server, and other pertinent attributes all located
> >  > in South Africa. (please those more knowledgeable here correct me if I am
> >  > wrong). Similarly, if there is a Human Rights Commissioner or equivalent in
> >  > the country concerned, they might be able to act if conditions as broadly
> >  > described above apply.
> >  >
> >  > In this case we seem to be dealing with bad taste however. What top level
> >  > domain (or cctld) is involved? What is their policy (if they have one?) Is
> >  > the required action to remove the site, fix the offending content, issue a
> >  > warning? Would they undertake to do any of these or would they say we can
> >  > only act if this is a police matter?
> >  >
> >  > And in this case, would those writing defend this as their right to free
> >  > speech, in which case additional parameters might come into play?
> >  >
> >  > I don't think the answer is easy currently and matters that run close to
> >  > censorship issues will never be easy. However, do we need an equivalent of
> >  > UDRP (ICANN's Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy) to deal with
> >  > this? A bit of industry self regulation? Code of Content guidelines? Or an
> >  > Internet Ombudsman?
> >  >
> >  > It's a difficult area as far as I can see.
> >  >
> >  > Ian Peter
> >  > Ian Peter and Associates Pty Ltd
> >  > PO Box 10670 Adelaide St  Brisbane 4000
> >  > Australia
> >  > Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773
> >  > www.ianpeter.com
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > > -----Original Message-----
> >  > > From: Rui Correia [mailto:correia.rui at gmail.com]
> >  > > Sent: 06 August 2008 05:56
> >  > > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter
> >  > > Subject: [governance] Taking down a site [was: beijing ticket scam]
> >  > >
> >  > > Hi Ian Peter
> >  > >
> >  > > Taking it up from your point about take-downs not being automatic
> >  > > without validation, perhaps you or others can shed some light on a
> >  > > parallel issue.
> >  > >
> >  > > In the past few days, I've come across two racist websites, full of
> >  > > hate speech, but not directly inciting racial hatred.
> >  > >
> >  > > Any idea where I can report these sites? Someone at international
> >  > > level or at national level in South Africa?
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
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