[governance] USG on ICANN - no movement here

[David Goldstein]

Jeffrey,

Attacks on the UN do you know favours. Even The Economist, not a right or left wing publication says "The post-war global institutions have largely worked well. But rising countries and growing threats are challenging their pre-eminence". I don't see the UN as being the answer to ICANN's US influence, but it is most certainly not "a political grab bag of various special interest groups that seek political power and influence."

The full article in The Economist is at http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11664289.

Regards,
David





----- Original Message ----
From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
Cc: John Levine <icggov at johnlevine.com>; Dr Joe Baptista <baptista at publicroot.org>
Sent: Saturday, 2 August, 2008 2:28:22 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] USG on ICANN - no movement here

Ian and all,

  The Internet never has been, and likely never will be dominated
by any one government power.  ( harrumphing on fact )  Other
non-IANA root servers are everywhere.  It's only a matter of
if and whether or not service providers or privately/publically hosted
registries and registrars desire to use them.  Example: www.pccf.net

  It has been proclaimed by the IANA/ICANN that the IPv4 address
space is running out of PI space available and that a push to migrate
to IPv6 is strongly recommended, by the IANA and other IP RIR's.
But there are other alternatives such as IPv8 and IPv9, which are
not as well known as IPv6.  Yet it is the Telco's, service providers
that have the choice to make which direction or directionS they desire
or believe they should/want to take.  Such alternatives are not influenced
or dominated by any government what so ever, nor does the UN have
any say so in their management either, and it is highly unlikely such will
ever occur or even be considered.

  From where I sit, as if anyone cares, the UN is a political grab bag of
various special interest groups that seek political power and influence.
This was not what the UN was originally envisioned, but has unfortunately
become.


Ian Peter wrote:

> John, it's an inappropriate structure for a global network, whether managed
> benignly or not. It has to change and will be changed. Whether the fairly
> ineffective current initiative by the UN will have much to do with it
> changing remains to be seen, but the Internet will not remain in a form
> where any one single government has such power. Nor should it.
>
> Ian Peter (harrumphing on principle)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Levine [mailto:icggov at johnlevine.com]
> > Sent: 03 August 2008 08:11
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Cc: ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> > Subject: Re: [governance] USG on ICANN - no movement here
> >
> > >DOC has commented on ICANN's call for comments on improving institutional
> > >confidence at http://www.ntia.doc.gov/comments/2008/ICANN_080730.html
> > >
> > >The statement reads like an end of term report for a non-performing
> > student,
> > >with barely a word of encouragement.
> >
> > The US DOC has always made it crystal clear that they will never under
> > any plausible conditions relinquish their authority over the DNS root
> > and, hence, over ICANN.  This policy has never changed, and their
> > recent note contains no surprises to anyone who's been paying
> > attention.  There has certainly been feverish wishful thinking inside
> > and outside of ICANN imagining that somehow ICANN and the root will
> > float free, but it ain't going to happen.
> >
> > The US DOC are not stupid, and they have been extremely careful not to
> > act in ways that would impinge on the sovereignty of other countries,
> > so although there's been a certain amount of harrumphing on principle
> > from some governments, in reality they know that ICANN desperately
> > needs the DOC's adult supervision.  The only perceptible thing the DOC
> > has done in recent years has been to give a gentle hint that .XXX
> > would not be a good idea, a hint with which I dare say all the
> > harrumphing governments would agree.
> >
> > So do what you want to try to set up Internet governance processes,
> > but don't waste your time imagining that the DOC will go away.
> >
> > R's,
> > John
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