[governance] rights based approach to the Internet

[jlfullsack]

Dear Avri
I do hope you know a lot more in economics than in italian politics. 
However, Tremonti is well known and not only by insiders. He was the 
"economist" in both the former Berlusconi's gouvenrments, with the 
"succcess" You (should) know.
Best
Jean-Louis Fullsack

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Avri Doria" <avri at psg.com>
To: "Governance Caucus" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] rights based approach to the Internet


> Hi,
>
> not that i want to get n the middle of this 20th century argument, but  i 
> read an interesting line in a letter to the Editor of the Financial  Times 
> today (oh no, what am i admitting) by Giulio Tremonti (an  Italian 
> politician - don't know what his role is thse days) in defense  of 
> accusations of protectionism:
>
> "market if possible, state if necessary"
>
> Now i don't now if i agree with much of what he says, as his letter is 
> all i have ever read of his, but this seems to be a reasonable  position 
> at first blush.
>
> And in today's world it looks like the market is being effective in  some 
> places, but some places need more help then the market is likely  to give. 
> And since (fortunately or unfortunately depending on your  viewpoint) we 
> have states and collections of states and associations  of states ... , 
> they might as well be asked to do something useful for  the people.
>
> a.
>
>
>
> On 16 Apr 2008, at 11:47, Michael Gurstein wrote:
>> No, what we're dealing with in your case is a kind of incantatory 
>> anti-market fundamentalism, something that folks in civil society  should 
>> have moved beyond in 1991 1930, if not sooner. But old habits  die hard, 
>> which is why I make an issue of it on this list.
>>
>> I'm perfectly willing to entertain policy market interventions in  the 
>> market in support of public policy goods when beneficial. But  let's I'll 
>> give competitive markets and liberal policies their due;  they've 
>> produced dramatic expansions in access and will continue to  do so if 
>> handled right. Be intelligent about when you need to  intervene, and how, 
>> and when you don't. That's all.
>>
>> And to anticipate the inevitable incantation that markets don't do 
>> everything or aren't perfect, well, yeah. Who said they were?
>>
>> (well I guess we are closer to consensus than I figured after all ;-)
>>
>> MG
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller at syr.edu]
>> Sent: April 16, 2008 3:18 AM
>> To: McTim; governance at lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein
>> Subject: RE: [governance] rights based approach to the Internet
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >  The problem Milton (and McTim) is that I don't think anyone
>> believes in
>> > > that kind of incantatory market fundamentalism
>>
>> No, what we're dealing with in your case is a kind of incantatory 
>> anti-market fundamentalism, something that folks in civil society  should 
>> have moved beyond in 1991, if not sooner. But old habits die  hard, which 
>> is why I make an issue of it on this list.
>>
>> I'm perfectly willing to entertain policy interventions in the  market 
>> when beneficial. But let's give competitive markets and  liberal policies 
>> their due; they've produced dramatic expansions in  access and will 
>> continue to do so if handled right. Be intelligent  about when you need 
>> to intervene, and how, and when you don't.  That's all.
>>
>> And to anticipate the inevitable incantation that markets don't do 
>> everything or aren't perfect, well, yeah. Who said they were?
>>
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