[governance] MAG future
Adam Peake
ajp at glocom.ac.jp
Sun Sep 2 15:48:13 EDT 2007
>Dear Lee
>>Francis,
>>
>>Your concern about MAG sounds a bit overwrought to me, frankly.
>>"Non-governmental stakeholders that belongs to the IGC would have
>>completely lost credibility?" Because? There's lots of meeting I'm not
>>invited to, most of which I am happy to stay out of.
>>
>I am somewhat surprised by your comment which is not relevant
>It is not about being invited to a meeting or to a club or a committee.
>Do not put aside the issue, and try to lead the discussion diverge away.
Francis,
I informed the caucus about the dates and nature of the consultation
(i.e. open on 3rd, probably closed on 4th and 5th) in May...
>Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:15:47 +0900
>To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>From: Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>
>Subject: [governance] IGF - next consultation
>
>There are plans to hold the next IGF consultation in early September.
>
>Format will depend on whether there's an advisory group (expected
>there will be) and thought is
>
>September 3, open consultation.
>September 4-5, closed advisory group.
>
>Adam
This pattern of open/closed (or closed/open, sometimes the closed
meeting would be before the open) has been standard since the WGIG.
See my email of August 18 and 22 asking for caucus input for these
consultations.
Adam
>So lets put the dot on the i, as we say in French.
>It is all about MANDATE :
>the Advisory Group has been asked to enhance the transparency of
>the preparatory process by ensuring a continuous flow of information
>between its members and the various interested groups.
>
>The MAG should have been announced publicly and IGC MAG members
>should have informed continuously the IGC.
>
>People that are not fulfilling the mandate that goes along with their
>nominiation have lost credibility.
>
>I would add that a few governmental MAG members are quite surprised
>by this lack of the transparency in the "civil society" as "represented"
>by the IGC.
>
>> Perhaps there are bigger deals for IGC to worry about like making IGF
>>II a success?
>A success for who ? for those who do not respect any mandate, the
>one from the
>SG to start with, and then from the Tunis agenda ?
>This is a question of good faith...
>
>Nitin Desai, the "trusted chair" have spoken repeatedly
>about "good faith"...
>
>.
>Best
>
>Francis
>
>>Lee
>>Prof. Lee W. McKnight
>>School of Information Studies
>>Syracuse University
>>+1-315-443-6891office
>>+1-315-278-4392 mobile
>>
>>
>>>>>muguet at mdpi.net 8/30/2007 5:27 AM >>>
>>>>>
>>Dear Parminder and all stakeholders of good faith
>>
>>
>>>Meanwhile, I happen to be in Europe the next week, and will be able
>>>
>>to drop
>>
>>>in at the open IGF consultations on 3rd. Let me know who all will be
>>>
>>there.
>>
>>>Karen I know will be there, Bill is based in Geneva ... Anyone else
>>>
>>who will
>>
>>>be attending? We can plan to meet.
>>
>>It happens that the MAG has less and less future...
>>
>>I learned from a governmental stakeholder that the reconducted MAG
>>will reconvene on Tuesday 5 and Wednesday 6 September.
>>
>>IF this information is correct,
>>it would mean that the law of silence and opacity continues....
>>Non-governmental stakeholders that belongs to the IGC would have
>>completely lost credibility.
>>
>>As for the IGF secratariat and the transparency of the IGF web site,
>>the facts speak for themselves.
>>
>>When one reads the last SG statement :
>>----------
>>As part of its mandate, the Advisory Group has been asked to enhance
>>the transparency of the preparatory process by ensuring a continuous flow
>>of information between its members and the various interested groups. It
>>
>>has also been requested to make proposals on a suitable rotation among
>>
>>its members, based on recommendations from the various interested
>>groups.
>>---------
>>
>>It would be clear that non-governmental MAG members are really
>>lacking enthusiasm in enforcing the SG statement, except when they
>>are nominated.
>>
>>I guess that the rotation would be really needed
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Francis
>>
>>
>>>Please also let us know what issues any of the members may want
>>>
>>raised at
>>
>>>the consultations. I have looked the new draft program and things
>>>
>>look quite
>>
>>>fine at this stage.
>>>Along with our workshop on fulfilling the mandate of the IGF, three
>>>workshops organized by IGC members seem to be covering all the four
>>>
>>agenda
>>
>>>items that we proposed for the Rio meeting, which is quite good.
>>>These workshops are
>>>
>>>Public policy on the Internet
>>>
>>(http://info.intgovforum.org/yoppy.php?poj=5 )
>>
>>>Towards a development Agenda for IG
>>>http://info.intgovforum.org/yoppy.php?poj=56
>>>And
>>>
>>>Governance frameworks for CIRs
>>>
>>http://info.intgovforum.org/yoppy.php?poj=37
>>>Parminder
>>>________________________________________________
>>>Parminder Jeet Singh
>>>IT for Change, Bangalore
>>>Bridging Development Realities and Technological Possibilities
>>>Tel: (+91-80) 2665 4134, 2653 6890
>>>Fax: (+91-80) 4146 1055
>>>www.ITforChange.net
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Jeremy Malcolm [mailto:Jeremy at Malcolm.id.au] Sent: Tuesday,
>>>>August 28, 2007 7:35 AM
>>>>To: governance at lists.cpsr.org Subject: Re: [governance] MAG future
>>>>
>>>>Taran Rampersad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The real problem is that the IGF was born with high hopes, but
>>>>>>
>>was
>>
>>>>>>quickly dragged downwards by power struggles, short-sightedness
>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>crossed fears.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree with Bertrand, civil society should focus on preparing
>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>presenting a proposal for the post-Rio IGF that restores the
>>>>>>
>>initial
>>
>>>>>>hopes, finding a way to implement the mandate that is not
>>>>>>
>>threatening
>>
>>>>>>to the Internet community, and ensuring some clarity, transparency
>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>democracy in the internal procedures of the IGF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Concur.
>>>>>
>>>>I also concur. Maybe you would be interested in reading chapter 6
>>>>
>>of my
>>
>>>>PhD thesis (now complete in draft) which aims to present just such
>>>>
>>a
>>
>>>>proposal in detail. Browse or download it from
>>>>http://www.malcolm.id.au/thesis.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Jeremy Malcolm LLB (Hons) B Com
>>>>Internet and Open Source lawyer, IT consultant, actor
>>>>host -t NAPTR 1.0.8.0.3.1.2.9.8.1.6.e164.org|awk -F! '{print $3}'
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