[governance] Rudeness tectics (was Re: Reinstate the Vote)

[Carlos Afonso]

You are right on your concern, David, on the adequate way to engage in 
discussions, but I am worried about the method -- the list has a goal: 
to debate the issues of Internet governance. We have moved away from it 
by engaging in another kind of discussion which would more properly 
belong in another space (as I said, probably in a shrink or good manners 
list).

Most, if not all, of the messages regarding opinions on behavior in the 
list could have been exchanged privately. But we seem to insist in 
keepíng the issue as central and public, and keep ranting at each other 
for everyone else to read. Is this our interest in this list?

--c.a.

David Goldstein wrote:
> Abandon the discussion please!
> 
> It seems the players here are not interested in a "civil" discussion on a list aimed at something like a civil society. Someone made comments along the lines that people should have a thick skin. What utter garbage. Lists such as these need to be inclusive. By suggesting people, to a certain extent, should have thick skins is exclusive.
> 
> It also seems the "established" players want to continue discussion on their terms, and frankly, for those who are initimidated or find the language off-putting, it's too bad - "it's my way or the highway" seems to be the attitude.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Carlos Afonso <ca at rits.org.br>
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
> Cc: Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2007 11:47:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [governance] Rudeness tectics (was Re: Reinstate the Vote)
> 
> Now, just to make sure: could we continue the discussion and abandon
>  the 
> debate on how rude or delicate each one of us might be?
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> Veni Markovski wrote:
>> Rui,
>> I am happy that you agree my point is valid. As for Carlos - there is
>  no
>> need to defend him, as you stated, esp that there is no attack
>  against him.
>> I was just using the point that once someone who is attacked (in this
>  case
>> Kieren) starts to respond, there are always voices that it is time to
>  stop
>> an end to this discussion. Such voices don't exist when the attacks
>  started.
>> The discussion about the personal attacks on this list is a needed
>  one, as
>> well as the end to such attacks. If  you believe there will be an
>  end, then
>> I hope you will be right.
>>
>> veni
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2007 7:16 AM, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Veni,
>>> [cut]
>> Your point is valid, but misplaced.
> 
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