[governance] Rudeness tectics (was Re: Reinstate the Vote)

[Kieren McCarthy]

> time would be better spent here continuing the  thoroughly 
> interesting discussion of the original subject above, "reinstate 
> the vote", rather than this distracting diversion subject of 
> "rudeness tactics", which seems silly and is surely a waste of time.


The problem I think you will find, Judith, is that because people feel so
strongly about the history of the voting issue within ICANN that without
some kind of understanding that people will respect one another's views and
opinions without dismissing them, claiming some ulterior motives, or
launching an attack, then the discussion will very quickly degenerate into
finger-pointing.

I've yet to see a calm discussion of the issue in seven years. In fact last
week's posts were the closest it has ever come to reasonable and rational
discourse.

I hope it can pick up again. But unless people learn to temper their
responses, I very much doubt it will be worth it.




Kieren




-----Original Message-----
From: Judith Oppenheimer [mailto:joppenheimer at icbtollfree.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:15 PM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian; governance at lists.cpsr.org
Cc: Kieren McCarthy
Subject: Re: [governance] Rudeness tectics (was Re: Reinstate the Vote)

Suresh, I can't speak to anyone's opinion of Kieren's job performance, but I
can suggest that time would be better spent here continuing the  thoroughly
interesting discussion of the original subject above, "reinstate the vote",
rather than this distracting diversion subject of "rudeness tactics", which
seems silly and is surely a waste of time.

Judith
------Original Message------
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Sender: 
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
To: Judith Oppenheimer
Cc: Kieren McCarthy
Sent: Nov 25, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] Rudeness tectics (was Re: Reinstate the Vote)

Judith Oppenheimer [25/11/07 20:11 +0000]:
>Kieren, at this point I'm confused. Besides the fact that Milton's
>discussion has been perfectly dispassionate and rational, of course you are
>following ICANN management's agenda - are you not employed by them? I
>thought that's your job. There's nothing wrong with that, but its odd to
>take on the job and then deny you're doing it.

Well it is the difference between actually doing what he was hired for, and
ostensibly appearing to be doing it, entirely for PR purposes and for ICANN
to prove they are "inclusive", "listen to feedback" etc.

So far, I feel Kieran is actually doing a good job, and exactly what he was
hired for. Milton at least seems to feel otherwise.



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