[governance] ICANN and the IGF

[jlfullsack]

Veni

You are rather wrong as far as the "European Caucus" is concerned. Neither 
Klein nor Guerra played a leading role there. It was Georg Grve at the very 
beginning and mainly Ralf Bendrath who coordinated this Caucus -and Ralf is 
continuing that- which, unlike your assertion, was and still is a real 
European working group.

Jean-Louis Fullsack
Focal Person of Caucus Europe to the European Parliament

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veni Markovski" <veni at veni.com>
To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>; "Vittorio Bertola" <vb at bertola.eu>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] ICANN and the IGF


> At 15:52 11/18/2007  +0100, Vittorio wrote:
>
>>But this is not your fault, it's the fault of the stupid approach that was 
>>devised by the ICANN leadership in the last years, when they were scared 
>>by the prospect of a discussion, and thus did whatever they could to 
>>prevent it. They behaved defensively as if they had anything to hide or to 
>>be ashamed for, which in a mediatic world, as everyone knows, implies an 
>>admission to have something to hide or to be ashamed for, even when that 
>>is not true in reality.
>
> Would you like to be more precise here? I don't remember such an approach, 
> at least when I was on the Board. The very fact that there was ICANN 
> representative(s) both in the WGIG and the AG is a clear sign that this is 
> not the case.
>
> So, some of the discussion was led by academic people, and some of them 
> have never had technical expertise, but as we know in a political 
> environment it is not really important. btw, as for the outcome of the 
> WSIS, there were people who were warning that the only result of it will 
> be bashing of the existing organizations. And - voila - that's what 
> happened.
>
> ICANN has been trying to be part of the solution (because the WSIS created 
> a problem, and it required a solution, or else one would be left in the 
> landscape) since 2003, and I think it's not fair of you to state something 
> like "stupid approach" by "ICANN leadership", and make statement that 
> "they were scared" of a discussion. You probably mistake this with the 
> lack of desire to be proactive, and engage in a way you thought correct? 
> Plus, at some point you were also part of this "leadership", so I guess 
> you don't mean you were "stupid"?
>
> Best
> veni
>
> P.S. It is another issue, that if it wasn't for ICANN, ISOC, and a few 
> other organizations to provide experts to these and other groups, the 
> discussion would have been completely political, and with no technical 
> ground whatsoever.
> As you probably recollect, the technical community (engineers, 
> RFC-writers, etc.) have always been very critical about the way the WSIS 
> goes. If you also remember, the Civil Society (CS) had also been a strange 
> phenomenon around the WSIS. The Internet Governance caucus was created, if 
> I am not mistaken, by Y J Park; who - with Milton - didn't manage to 
> achieve any success with the NCDNHC at ICANN in the beginning (1999 - 
> 2000). Today YJ is a student at the same university Milton is teaching. 
> The Caucus was created for a number of reasons, but we should not forget 
> that among them it was giving access to the CS Bureau to the WSIS. And the 
> word "Bureau" was giving some extra power; at least in the view of some. 
> You may have been there at that time - I just don't remember. But I 
> remember well the establishment of another of the groups - the European 
> Caucus, which ended up as European - North American one; Hans Klein (then 
> with CPSR) was one of the active people there. Robert Guerra was the other 
> one; at some point the only one.
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