[governance] ICANN and the IGF

[Veni Markovski]

At 11:24 11/19/2007  +0100, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>This thread is now going down the usual path of "I did that first" 
>and "seven years ago you said that...". Anyway:

Oh, no, it is not going that way. Yet ;)

>Veni Markovski ha scritto:
>>ICANN has been trying to be part of the solution (because the WSIS 
>>created a problem, and it required a solution, or else one would be 
>>left in the landscape) since 2003, and I think it's not fair of you 
>>to state something like "stupid approach" by "ICANN leadership", 
>>and make statement that "they were scared" of a discussion. You 
>>probably mistake this with the lack of desire to be proactive, and 
>>engage in a way you thought correct? Plus, at some point you were 
>>also part of this "leadership", so I guess you don't mean you were "stupid"?
>
>so let me note that it is the approach which was stupid, not the 
>people who devised it. It happens every day to every intelligent 
>person to take stupid decisions, especially ones that reveal their 
>counterproductiveness only in hindsight (the intelligent people are 
>not those who do not take stupid decisions, but those who do not 
>take twice the same stupid decision). I take your implicit transfer 
>of the adjective from the strategy to the people as a sign that 
>people like you and Alex are so committed to ICANN that they 
>completely identify themselves with the organization.

I am sorry to hear your misreading of what I said. Eventhough you 
quote me. You talked about the ICANN leadership. Every board member 
is part of the leadership. If only two of us have reacted to your 
words, that only shows that a) there are two reading this mailing 
list, or b) the others don't think it matters what they will say 
here, or c) they don't care, or d) they don't think they should take 
this personally. Whatever the right answers are, I find it quite 
strangely that you will say "leadership", and than will push back 
from what you said. If you have had in mind someone else, you should 
have named him/her/them. When you use a common word, you'd better be 
ready for reaction by some.

>Unfortunately, this also explains why it was often so difficult for 
>ICANN to accept views that were even slightly different from the 
>ones of their leaders.

Again - you are defining leaders, without mentioning names, which 
makes it difficult for me to follow your thought. I've always 
considered the whole Board as the "ICANN leadership". To think 
differently, means you know something I don't know. Or something may 
have changed in the one year since I am not on the Board.

>And pardon me if I insist, but your intervention managed to focus 
>the discussion exactly on the part of my considerations which was 
>critical of ICANN, rather than on the part that was favourable to 
>it. Nice communications strategy, again.

Vittorio, this is a mailing list, it's not a competition field, so 
that you should suspect me of having a strategy here. But to use 
words like "stupid" and not expect reaction?

veni 

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