Alternative DNS systems and net neutrality - Was: Re: [governance] DNSsec and allternative DNS system

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Karl,

adjectives and perorations aside, do you have a view on the coordination 
of alternative roots that does not either devolve to the ICANN model or 
create a new, additional, yet-to-be-designed entity to manage the 
coordination?

A large number of people in the technology, policy, and interface fields 
have not taken a dogmatic view about alt-roots, just answered that 
question in a logical, thorough way, carrying the reasoning thoroughly, 
and repeatedly found that, as a previous posting said, the single-root 
system in use is the "best worst", and some even find it good.

Can you provide the argumentation for the opposite case you advocate, and 
thus an answer to the question?

Please note that in advance exchange for your sparing me the "poisoning" 
etc. rhetoric I am not quoting any of the adjectives expressed today in 
arguments contrary to yours.

Alejandro Pisanty


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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Karl Auerbach wrote:

> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:17:21 -0800
> From: Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com>
> Reply-To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com>
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, Phil Regnauld <pr+governance at x0.dk>
> Cc: Meryem Marzouki <marzouki at ras.eu.org>
> Subject: Re: Alternative DNS systems and net neutrality - Was: Re:
>     	[governance] DNSsec and allternative DNS system
> 
>
> I can see that we are diametrically of different minds on the desirability of 
> competing root systems - provided that they are consistent with one another 
> (I suspect that neither of us want inconsistent root systems to arise and, if 
> they did, we would both hope that internet users would shun them back into 
> non-existence.)
>
> I'm glad you did not raise the non-issue that competing roots are 
> technologically impossible or would cause the internet sky to fall, the stock 
> markets to collapse, and the internet revert to paper tape carried by pigeons 
> (IP over Avian Carrier - RFC1149).
>
> The main point that I draw from our discussion is that competing roots, while 
> clearly subject to disagreement about their merits, are feasible and, indeed, 
> can not be technically prevented should someone undertake the effort (and 
> risk to their money) to give it a try.
>
> Nor does there seem to be any legal way to prevent 'em, apart from the 
> obvious matter that any misrepresentation about their visibility and 
> usability would violate local laws found in pretty much every jurisdiction 
> around the world.  But if consumers are given the information to make knowing 
> and informed choices - then such laws would not usually apply.
>
> As for my .ewe TLD - it runs and resolves names.  It is in several of the non 
> NTIA/ICANN/Verisign root zones.  However, as I mentioned, many, if not all, 
> of those are abysmally run and do not have accurate delegation records.  The 
> .ewe online registration system is only partially formed, but I have provided 
> several registrations using the same method used when I originally got my 
> domain names (usually from the NIC at SRI) - by direct contact.
>
> That hardly makes .ewe invalid.  It is only because ICANN acts as a 
> combination in restraint of trade that .ewe - and for that matter IOD's .web 
> - have not had a chance to succeed (or flop) on their own merits.
>
> If we were to simply change our mental attitudes - remove the dogma that says 
> that we have to knee jerk condemn any attempt to create a new root system 
> outside the NTIA/Verisign/ICANN root zone definition - then perhaps we might 
> see whether the natural forces of innovation would give us a way out of the 
> centralized, single point of failure for the internet caused by the 
> NTIA/ICANN approach.
>
> We should recognize that NTIA/ICANN have poisoned the soil by anathametizing 
> any attempt to exist outside their catholic [lower case 'c'] NTIA/ICANN 
> church-of-the-single-root.  After ICANN's year 2000 expropriation of 
> $2,000,000 in TLD application fees and the 7 year limbo for those 40 
> applicants, investment interest has shifted elsewhere.
>
> 		--karl--
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