[governance] Has the technical community failed wrt IPv6' .... Governance Frameworks for Critical Internet Resources'

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

McTim wrote:

> On Nov 10, 2007 3:14 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
> wrote:
> > As compared to how many that are announcing v4, again?
> How many ASNs announcing v4 prefixes or how many v4 prefixes announced?
> potaroo.net is your friend ;-)

Entirely aware of the cidr report. But that was kind of a rhetorical
question.

> a tad pessimistic.

No. As I said.

> > Now, unless
> > * someone thinks of a killer app for v6 only hosts
> > * a major broadband / cellular carrier edge/3g rollout assigns v6 to
> > customers

[etc]

V6 enabling window blinds and beer coolers simply means you are sooner or
later going to run into botnets composed of these.  If they're intelligent
enough to have a v6 stack they can certainly get turned into botnets. And if
somebody thinks v6 is magically more secure than v4 .. they just drank the
koolaid, I fear.

> Yup, but I reckon it's just a longer phase of pioneering than was
> planned.  If you want to fill a bucket, the first drops are important!

Analogies, analogies .. if the tap keeps dripping this long, either there's
a water shortage, or there's a block somewhere in the pipe that leads to
your tap.

> true, 12 /8 was recently reclaimed, but that too is a drop in the
> bucket, even ALL if all of the legacy space was reclaimed, used or
> not, is only putting this off for a few years (not 20, certainly).

Then we simply wait for the next dotbomb. Silly Valley is starting to boom
again - funnily named startups, domain name speculation by "domainers", etc
etc. Once that happens, guess how much IP space gets freed up again?

> ACK
> 
> My ISPs network manager can't tell me what my IP is, (I have to tell
> her).

Yes. And I've seen a "senior network engineer" ask the workshop instructor
(Philip Smith as it happens, at a sanog workshop sometime back) what a route
map was.

> > guess once we get ipv9 (hallelujah for Jim Fleming!)
> 
> I thought his mantra was IPv8/IPv16!!

Typo. Yes. But then there was a chinese vendor who managed to develop "ipv9"
- and start a story about how the Chinese government was endorsing this.

http://www.circleid.com/posts/explaining_chinas_ipv9 

> Who might have an intergalactic number/naming scheme better than
> ours ;-))

I am sure that will be discussed in great detail .. and travel budgets will
have to scale up correspondingly (wonder what a beach resort in deep space
looks like). Thank god the third IGF is going to be in Delhi, which is as
crowded and polluted a city as can be (and at a time - winter - where most
flights are going to be badly hit by fog delays..). Good food though.  And
by the way it is a place where you get fleatrap motels for $150+, Marriott /
Sheraton type places for $250, a Hilton for $300 etc.

	suresh

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