[governance] What happened at the NARALO/ALAC/CCNSO?

Wed Dec 5 17:24:32 EST 2007

Hi Danny,

There is a world of difference between the suggestion to allow for
introduction of a service that would help a third party tackle one source of
spam; and saying you have anything to do with spam.

ICANN doesn't have anything to do with spam. It never will have anything to
do with spam. That is a very good thing.

But if ICANN can work with the wider Internet community to do what parts it
can to help in a wider fight against spam, we'll be happy to do it.

Again though it is worth pointing out that "ICANN" doesn't create policy and
approaches from thin air. People out there in the community come up with
ideas and ICANN acts as the disseminator of those ideas. ICANN then reviews
the feedback, tries to find a consensus, and puts out a document with the
hope of moving forward.

That document is then put out for review again - and continues to be put out
for review unless it is boiled down to something people can vote on. Then, a
supporting organisation that works within the ICANN model but acts
independently of "ICANN", meaning ICANN staff, makes a decision. 

Then that decision is relayed to the Board - which also acts independently
of "ICANN" - and the Board decides whether it goes through.

In the same way that the earlier email appeared to confuse a whole range of
issues as being related to ICANN; I think there remains significant
confusion over how the ICANN decision-making model actually works.

I realise that this comment will now restart the anti-ICANN arm-waving but
you show me a PDP that started while I have been at ICANN (i.e. one in which
I could reasonably assume to have knowledge of) that hasn't been through a
process in which it is the community that provides the idea, the community
that provides the input, the community that provides the comments, and the
community that makes the decision.

Kieren

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:56 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Kieren McCarthy
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [governance] What happened at the NARALO/ALAC/CCNSO?

Kieren,

I'm interested in your comment:  "It cannot stop spam"

I recall that the revised .xxx application in appendix
S contained language allowing for rapid take-downs. 
Certainly provisions in new gTLD contracts could allow
for the rapid takedown of domain names  that are used
in conjunction with unsolicited bulk/commercial
emailings.  

ICANN has the means to act; it just doesn't have the
will or sense of responsibility to act.

regards,
Danny

--- Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm a bit concerned that people think any of this
> has anything to do with
> ICANN.
> 
> It's a bit like blaming the Roads Authority because
> your car has broken
> down.
> 
> Does this list think it would be of much benefit if
> I created a factsheet or
> somesuch that clearly defines what ICANN does and
> does not do?
> 
> I knocked up some wording that I have been
> soft-testing here:
> http://www.icann.org/participate/what-icann-do.html
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kieren
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yehudakatz at mailinator.com
> [mailto:yehudakatz at mailinator.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:15 AM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [governance] What happened at
> the NARALO/ALAC/CCNSO?
> 
> McTim,
> Most web-programmers will understand/see this,
> Today most "integrated development environment
> (IDE)s"
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environment
> contain or have plugins intergrated for Mobile
> devices.
> 
> The IDE's are what we use to build the net, the
> web-programmers tools,
> and the IDE's dictate what technology the ISPs
> (Internet Service Providers)
> Host.
> [For example: .Net 3.5 or PHP on IIS7 or Lamp (the
> ISPs 'Package')] 
> 
> This trend began with wap, sms, xml technologies
> etc... it has metamorphosed
> into
> what we call today as Web/Enterprise 2.0 (Ajax /
> i.e.; XMLHttpRequest), 
> which means basically the complied-programming
> (asp.net|php|etc) is a
> server-side feed to the end users GUI via ajax for
> portability. In layman
> terms: 
> the websites (content) are now designed to server a
> greater variety of
> devices
> (terminals).
> 
> Telco's market "Services", believe me you the net
> will flow will emerging
> technologies like Web 2.0, connected by the 700 mhz
> spectrum (wireless),  
> it is the "last-mile" Internet connection out in the
> boonies. 
> The final Push of the Content-Push
> 
> Why would you spend a minimum of 4.5 Billion dollars
> for a slice of the
> spectrum, 
> if it didn't connect to an Internet address? if it
> did not deliver web based
> Content?
> Stop into a T-Mobil or Cingular shop and  take a
> look at whats available.
> All the latest devices are net accessible, and
> theres more to come!
> 
> Your counter argument is telling us that Icann has
> nothing to do with;
> VoIP, Messaging, mobile streaming media experiences
> and the future
> sea of applications.
> 
> Eyes-Wide-Shut, you haven't seen anything yet.
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Streaming Media to Mobile Audiences: circa 2004
>
http://www.streamingmedia.com/article.asp?id=8565&page=2&c=29
> 
> Facebook | Mobile:
>
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=2915120374&b
>
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