[governance] Re: IG questions that are not ICANN [was: Irony]

Sat Dec 1 20:34:54 EST 2007

There is some cross-boundary cooperation, but it isn't easy. There are some
bilateral agreements (for example between Trinidad and Tobago and the UK and
also with the US ) that allow for co-ordination and cooperation in certain
instances, but some in the local Police complain that the processes are
unwieldy. 
I do agree that there needs to be more than simple government to government
cooperation. But governments are vital, in that they are the ones who can
sign agreements that are binding, they can amend laws that allow for
cooperation (and that is important with regard to evidence, with regard to
what is allowed in different jurisdictions, such as methods of data
gathering).
Jacqueline

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 23:03
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; 'Suresh Ramasubramanian'
> Subject: RE: [governance] Re: IG questions that are not ICANN [was:
> Irony]
> 
> Nice concept Suresh, but at Rio a number of govt reps complained at the
> almost total lack of international co-operation in this area and the
> ineffectiveness of current efforts because there is no way to get
> cross-boundary co-operation currently.
> 
> That’s a structural problem IMHO. And one not likely to be solved
> solely by
> governments co-operating among themselves. In addition technical
> co-operation is necessary as they readily admit - that takes two forms
> at
> least which I outlined. Finally the public policy issues are
> substantial of
> course.
> .
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net]
> Sent: 01 December 2007 14:00
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter
> Cc: 'Alejandro Pisanty'; 'Milton L Mueller'
> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: IG questions that are not ICANN [was:
> Irony]
> 
> Ian Peter [01/12/07 13:45 +1100]:
> 
> >A structure for dealing with cybercrime would have the following
> inputs
> >1. Governmental
> >2. Industry players (carriers, ISPs, etc)
> >3. Technical innovators and standards groups
> >4. Public interest groups
> >Each would need representation on a structure dealing with this issue.
> 
> Actually, the focus would not be on "governance" - it would be on
> interoperability and cooperation across "stakeholder communities" (or
> stakeholder silos, as I've heard them called .. civ soc talking to
> other
> civ soc, agency talking to agency etc)
> 
> Take a look at these three - they actually do a lot of what you ask
> for.
> 
> CoE convention on cybercrime -
> http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/Treaties/Html/185.htm
> 
> ITU botnet project - again, taking these concepts you cite and applying
> them practically, instead of as a thought experiment -
> http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/cyb/cybersecurity/projects/botnet.html
> http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/cyb/cybersecurity/docs/itu-botnet-mitigation-
> toolki
> t-background.pdf
> 
> And then this - a "self assessment" document to help a country assess
> how
> ready it is to deal with cybersecurity.
> http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/cyb/cybersecurity/projects/readiness.html
> 
> >Effective action would require the consent and involvement of each
> group
> 
> At an international level?  What you would get at that level is again
> coordination and cooperation at a broad level, and awareness of each
> others
> initiatives. It is not like (say) governing a swiss canton where all
> the
> citizens can get together to decide where to build the next public
> toilet
> or how much to spend to improve a local park.
> 
> 	srs
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