[governance] Four legs good, two legs bad

[Joe Baptista]

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joe baptista

Ian Peter wrote:

>How do I get a .pirates domain name?
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>Ian Peter
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Baptista [mailto:baptista at cynikal.net] 
>Sent: 09 December 2006 13:58
>To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Milton Mueller
>Cc: db at dannybutt.net
>Subject: Re: [governance] Four legs good, two legs bad
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>Then of course there is the fundamental lesson learned that the internet 
>find the rule of law irrelevant.  Which of course is why ICANN is obsolete:
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>http://www.publicroot.org/news-2006-11-26-Pirates.html
>http://www.publicroot.org/news-2006-12-03-Pirates.html
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>Of course this will take time to propagate - and until then the WSIS 
>gravey train continues to rumble along at a very slow pace.
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>Cheers
>joe baptista
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>Milton Mueller wrote:
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>>This whole debate about government is getting silly. 
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>>IGP publications have proposed that ICANN be formally accountable to
>>the rule of law (law being governmental, last time I looked); and that
>>the world's governments negotiate a framework convention to codify in a
>>binding fashion certain principles regarding the Internet (principles
>>which, we hope, will preserve and protect its freedoms rather than
>>undermine them). 
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>>So rather than getting caught in an Orwellian chant that governments
>>are two-legged and therefore intrinsically bad, to be answered by
>>equally uninteresting bleating that they are four-legged and therefore
>>intrinsically good, it might be better to talk about what you want the
>>governments to do, what you don't want them to do, what institutional
>>mechanisms might be deployed, and what checks and balances might exist
>>to counter the obvious tendency of states to wield power in ways that
>>benefit themselves or certain clients at the expense of the public
>>(especially in international arenas where there is no electorate, no
>>real rule of law, very little enforcability and very weak
>>accountability)
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>>>>>db at dannybutt.net 12/7/2006 1:36:29 AM >>>
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>>Hi Jeanette/all
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>>I find it interesting that internet culture is so hostile to the idea 
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>>of government that even mild recognition quickly becomes  
>>"glorification" :7. I have no great love for intergovernmental  
>>systems, but they do some things relatively well, or at least better  
>>than existing alternatives. Geographical diversity and due process  
>>would be high on my list.
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>>While I think that "transparency" in the development sector is highly 
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>>overrated (and often a tool to enable ICT-rich organisations to get  
>>contracts where "publishing on the internet" is equated with  
>>transparency), I agree it is an important component of  
>>accountability. However, it's far from the only component, or even  
>>the most important.
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>>My point is that what constitutes "performance" will be assessed  
>>differently by different people, and there is a rather large  
>>geopolitical/socio-cultural imbalance in positive evaluations of  
>>existing Internet Governance entities. Civil Society's stand on that  
>>imbalance will, in my opinion, be critical to its long-term voice in  
>>IG arrangements.
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>>Or to put it more simply, if CS buys the line that everything is fine 
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>>as long as it gets seats at the table, then it may soon find itself  
>>in an expensive, empty restaurant with bad food and worse company,  
>>while the masses eat elsewhere.
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>>Regards,
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>>Danny
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>>On 07/12/2006, at 7:53 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
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>>>On further reflection, we should not glorify intergovernmental  
>>>processes and institutions. Even if the ITU is more inclusive as  
>>>far as participation of governments is concerned, we don't know  
>>>much about balances of powers between governments. And even if  
>>>there are formal mechanisms of accountability, we don't know  
>>>whether they are effective.
>>>
>>>ICANN is much more transparent than any intergovernmental  
>>>organization. This is why we can observe its shortcomings on a  
>>>regular basis. I wouldn't be able to say if closed  
>>>intergovernmental organizations such as the ITU violate or stretch  
>>>their own rules more or less than ICANN. What seems safe to say is  
>>>trust in an organization requires better performance.
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