[governance] Notes from informal consultation with EU

[Izumi AIZU]

Sep 30, 5 pm -
  Civil Society informal consultation meeting with EU

Martin Boyle UK as EU presidency, Michael Niebel from European Commission)

Martin

Here follows is my crude note taken from the informal
consultation meeting with EU, Sep 30.

thanks,

izumi

This is EU proposal on behalf of EU

New position for EU   evolution and development
  Telecom council last June

Jeanette
Number of concerns:
  Not clear   forum
    How the forum itself is composed
Canadian proposal looks much nicer
  Operation mode of WGIG as concrete, that could be built upon
  Composition

Governments plan to expand the role   of regulation of names and numbers
  Part a)  IP number blocks   taken care of RIR and IANA
   Assume position to tell RIR how to do the job or principles, for Ipv6 numbers
We are wondering why governments would like to do that?

Introductory note
  “Globally applicable principles” ?
    human rights?
  How all governments can possibly agree on such policy issues
French like to see global regulatory framework on identifiers
  Regional framework


Martin
Thank you for Interesting   challenging questions

Forum function
  Description really isn’t the last word in full detail, but what is 
essentially a need for forum function
My boss, he liked Canadian proposal!
  We need coordination among 25 nations and two associate   Swiss and Norway
   There are areas where everybody has to compromise
  Perhaps it is better to elaborate subsequently

Canada   plus or less   may happen
The dialogue has got to start
If you say too many things, then it is difficult to move to 
compromise and develop your ideas

Essential tasks and government plans
  Let’s step back from this
We have a situation where there is a general feeling   among a lot of 
countries that current system is not responsive to their requirement and concerns
We try to identify issues and how to deal with deal issues
The way to describe this is actually in the level of principles
If you are talking about the level of principles, these are not 
necessary in conflict with the bottom up exercise of, for example of 
IP address allocations
   What is “equitable”  - etc
So carefully “here is probably where issues exist”

US may turn and say   root zone file, we are not going to change”
  But there is some need to respond to these concerns
Very concerns   if it is not broken, but a lot of dissatisfaction, 
then it is going to be broken, hence we feel a need to respond

Europe is a very broad church   who do have regulatory instincts and who don’t

Idea to getting involved in defining human right is not an attractive 
option in this context

  Jeanette
New cooperation model
Multi-stakeholder is one of the pre-requisite

Martin
Yes this is area of delicate
Europe- always consult with key stakeholders, always identify their 
actions on society
Not all countries sit down for more open policy creation in public
That’s where the role of forum function

Jermy
Application of global public policy   national, regional global
Existing international law? Or establish new legal entity?

Martin
“global public policy”  - area of national and global
in Europe we are highly aware
the balance-  subsidiarity principle   you do at the lowest level possible

one   root zone file  - can we get arbitration
another   more important   if you have dispute resolution process 
based in country difficult to access  - you might have problem
using international law   everybody got same
whole RAFT? Cases   ICC   for arbitration
  a matter of   if you have matter of global thing   you need to do

Wolfgang
Do you plan that new model has a channel for Civil Society advisory, for example.
Where do you draw the border between principle and day-to-day operation?

Martin
Government will not come into existing organization for management.
There might be difficulty between that model and interface with 
existing model of other stakeholders
EU
At the end of the day it is the Commission and member states how to run ccTLD
  Very lightweight, hands-off   very successful result

Rikke
Human rights
  Global public policy   including international Human Right?

Martin
Subject directly applicable to these topics

Izumi
We are concerned
Not only from EU but other governments, who want more control on 
Internet not only in these ICANN areas, but may bring these to other 
areas of Internet governance as precedence.
I hope you could address these in the negotiation towards open minded 
end, like civil society   not towards governments who want to control more.

Jeanette
We like EU to adopt Canadian proposal
 From one government to many governments, or from one to no government

Martin
Do you really believe that no government involvement even vaguely possible?

END of Meeting with EU 

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