[governance] Thanks Avri- IG caucus - participation issues

[Laina Raveendran Greene]

Thanks Avri for taking the time to comment and respond with clarifications.
Helps understand the process and thinking and I actually wanted to ensure
that concerns as expressed by Guru were not written off but used as
suggestions for improvement. As I said before, there were clear suggestions
in my note and I see your clear responses. Thanks.

Just to add, insinuations or implicit accusations were not intended as I do
not know agendas etc anyway. I am making suggestions and I see your point
that for negotiators, good to have strong personalities than weak
coordinators. My point was just not having them both in the negotiating room
but either one of them or another volunteer keeping the meeting times to
allow those not as connected both online and offline to be "involved". I am
glad to see that your own story of being brought into the fold is an
encouraging one and I see you have thought through some of the suggestions
for greater inclusion. 

Thanks once again for being engaged and taking the time to reply to my note,
and I agree we depend on volunteers and so we do need to keep their spirits
up and appreciate their work. Hope the suggestions will also be considered
to allow for others to feel involved and help improve the process further.

I must say I totally appreciated the spirit of Jeanette and your response to
my mail. 

Regards,
Laina

-----Original Message-----

>
i do _not_ think that either of our coordinators has an agenda that
overrides their method of coordination.  and think the implicit accusation
should _not_ stand.  some of us wanted strong people who had opinions while
some wanted people with no opinions.  while i favor people who have strong
opinions, this list might do with a notion of coordinator who is strictly a
servant of the list, i.e. the  
weak notion of coordinator suggested by Vittorio as i understand it.   
of course i am not sure who of the people who have spoken on this list would
qualify for a such a role.

> Coordinators should be more committed to  ensuring open and 
> transparent positions for everyone to be heard rather than pushing 
> their own agendas, therefore keeping meeting times as much as possible 
> and keeping process etc.

i think this list has been open and fair - in that the opinions are split.
and if you had been able to attend the meetings, you would have seen how
fairly it was run with everyone getting to speak and everyone being listened
to, though that may be obvious from the notes Jeremy sent out.  i hope it
is.

> There should also be greater sensitivity to people who may not have 
> easy access to connectivity for various reasons especially when 
> physically at conferences,

again, this may have been an error - posting meeting times and changes - but
i don't think it merits the kind of condemnation you are suggesting.

> and also that people from different cultures or parts of the world may 
> see issues differently.

i have seen that acknowledged frequently on this list.

> It is also important that
> whilst heavy negotiations are going on, that instead of both 
> coordinators being in the negotiating room and meetings getting 
> cancelled, one should keep meeting times to ensure consistency etc. In 
> other words, coordinators should not also be the negotiators at the 
> same time. This messes up the process of keeping consistency, 
> openness, transparency etc for those who may not be as connected as 
> others.

perhaps, but it was the group that decided that the two coordinators should
also serve the spokespersons and other roles.  and to do this required being
in the meetings to know exactly what was going on.

>
>  The Information Society grows everyday and we have to live with new 
> players and even "old" ones who may not have joined the clique sooner.

to call it a clique is insulting, and on some lists might even be considered
a breach of netquette.


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