[governance] quick correction

[Laina Raveendran Greene]

Last para...meant to say...."we do end up" with a list that is more focused
on getting results and not "we do not end up". And want to add with a clear
objectives, process and thus greater ownership on outcomes from a wider
audience.

Add also...perhaps people such as Max Senges and Rhonda who have clear ideas
on inclusive processes for online and offline collaboration can share these
with IG caucus.

Regards,
Laina 

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[mailto:governance-bounces at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Laina Raveendran
Greene
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:53 AM
To: guru at itforchange.net; governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: Re: [governance] IG caucus - participation issues

I do understand that during negotiations, time is of the essence but we
should not compromise process at the expense of making something happen. If
however people prefer compromising process to enable some CS viewpoints to
be expressed, then it would be best to split up into several working groups
within IG Caucus into working groups based on region e.g.. Asia, Africa, etc
or according to issues e.g. privacy, security etc. This way we do not all
have to agree on everything and we do not end up with a list that is more
focused on getting results (having clear objectives and process spelt out
ahead of time as Avri suggested).

I therefore hope we can give some thought on form, process and substance so
we can be more effective at Athens in May/July 2006.

Regards,
Laina

PS Finally back home and finally connected to the Internet again!!!



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[mailto:governance-bounces at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Milton Mueller
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 5:24 PM
To: guru at itforchange.net; governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: Re: [governance] IG caucus - participation issues

Guru:
As I understand Jeanette's position it is more the expression of frustration
at the extreme difficulty of trying to get coherent positions out of CS
organs, when you have an open list in which someone who joined yesterday
mixes with people who have been talking about an issue three years, two
years, 8 months, etc. I know for a FACT that Jeanette supports an open list
and expanding participation in the caucus. 

Obvioously it's important to get agreed, consensus positions from the caucus
when possible - especially about organizational issues and statements. As I
have discussed with her, the real issue here is not the "disruption" of new
participants, but the lack of procedures for voting or some other collective
decision making mechanism. 

>>> "Guru at ITforChange.net" <guru at itforchange.net> 11/18/2005 8:49:16 AM
>>>
Hi,

I am sending this mail from the CRIS meeting ..
 
While addressing issues of IG, I heard Jeanette Hoffman, for the third time
in two days speak about .... how the IG caucus has been working for a long
time with its members achieving consensus and how in the recent past, after

PC3, 'new members' have come in and have 'disrupted' the process. In the
CRIS meeting, she also mentioned that ... 'we should make sure in the forum
that such things do not happen'

In the IG meeting yesterday, Adam clarified, and I too responded to her
view, saying that IG being a large and complex area is bound to have
different views and perspectives. 

I cannot understand how such closed views on participation can be propagated
by a person moderating the caucus.

It is clear who Jeanette is referring to as 'disrupting' the process. I

suggest that this issue be clarified - whether the IG caucus would like

these 'new members' to leave the caucus, or Jeanette should be asked to stop
making such comments, specially when she is speaking on behalf of the IG
caucus.

Guru

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Guru
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