[governance] ".ARPA management data (e.g., WHOIS entries) are to be considered authoritative from the IAB"
Joe Baptista
baptista at cynikal.net
Mon Dec 26 10:00:49 EST 2005
some very good points jim.
regards
joe baptista
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, Jim Fleming wrote:
> Has anyone ever seen "WHOIS entries" for IN-ADDR.ARPA domain names ?
>
> Are these domain names different ?
> 0.IN-ADDR.ARPA
> 00.IN-ADDR.ARPA
>
> Are people aware of the U.S. Government's plan to use IN-ADDR.US ?
>
> Are these domain names different ?
> 192.IN-ADDR.ARPA
> 192.IN-ADDR.US
>
> RE: http://www.iab.org/documents/correspondence/2005-12-22-dot-arpa.html#1
> ".ARPA management data (e.g., WHOIS entries) are to be considered
> authoritative from the IAB"
>
> Thinking Cat Enterprises
> 732 Catoctin Cir NE
> Leesburg, VA 20176
> US
>
> Ms. Leslie Daigle:
>
> The purpose of this note is three-fold:
>
> 1. I would like to determine what the current market-value and/or price is
> for what is commonly called a /8 allocation of IP address space. That would
> be 32-bit address space with the left-most 8-bits
> fixed at a value from 0 to 255 and the remaining 24 bits available for
> addressing millions of nodes. As most people know, /8 allocations are
> similar to other spectrum which would normally
> be managed by a government agency, such as the U.S. FCC, to ensure fair
> allocations and stable management.
>
> 2. I would like to attempt to determine how one determines who really owns a
> specific /8 allocation of IP address space. Along with that, in conjunction
> with #1, I would like to determine the history of ALL 256 /8s listed in the
> table commonly found via the following URL.
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
>
> 3. Combining #1 and #2, I would like to determine what fees, if any, are
> paid from one party to another for a single /8 allocation of IP address
> space. Questions related to this item would be:
> Are the fees one-time ? annual ? Who pays what to whom ? Are the fees based
> on patent
> rights or licensing ? Also, what role, if any, does the U.S. Government have
> in transactions
> between various parties regarding /8 allocations of IP address space. As
> noted below, it
> appears that the U.S. DOC (DARPA) ARPA claims to have no "operational
> responsibility".
>
> In summary, this initial message or request seeks to determine, what is the
> value of a /8, who
> really owns them, and how are they obtained and paid for?
>
> Your note referenced above appears to indicate that you *think* that you
> have some
> involvement in these matters, and may be considered an expert in this
> subject matter.
> As noted below, other parties also seem to indicate that they own or have
> rights to address
> space and some seem to indicate "theft" has occured. In order to help ensure
> the stability
> and security of the Internet, there seems to be wide-spread agreement that
> theft of cyberspace
> would not help to create a stable platform.
>
> Since there are 256 /8s, one would think that it is a rather simple task to
> keep track of the
> owners of those /8s. I note for the record that there are numerous
> inconsistencies in the
> information provided by the various tables referenced below, "WHOIS entries"
> maintained
> by various companies claiming to lease address blocks, and the contents of
> the DNS. A survey
> of the contents of the DNS for the 256 IN-ADDR.ARPA zones shows that various
> parties are
> using blocks claimed to be "reserved" and some blocks claimed to be in use
> have no DNS
> entry. Also, a survey of the US consumer industry shows that companies
> freely use /8s
> (such as 0/8) in their products and are not referenced in any of the tables
> you cite.
>
> According to your comments:
> ".ARPA management data (e.g., WHOIS entries) are to be considered
> authoritative from the IAB"
> Can you provide the "WHOIS entries" for the 256 /8s ?
>
> Jim Fleming
>
> =============== Attached References ==============
>
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
>
> http://www.iab.org/documents/correspondence/2005-12-22-dot-arpa.html
>
> http://www.nro.net/documents/nro30.html
>
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/settlement-comments/msg00049.html
> "A final point is the hijacking of the .ARPA domain from the IAB. It is not
> clear to me which party incalculated this component into the agreements (I
> have my ideas) but theft of the management of this domain without the
> approval of the IAB and the US DoC is ... theft."
>
> ***********************************
> Domain Name: THINKINGCAT.COM
> Administrative Contact:
> Daigle, Leslie L leslie at THINKINGCAT.COM
> Thinking Cat Enterprises
> 732 Catoctin Cir NE
> Leesburg, VA 20176
> US
> +17036691264
>
> Technical Contact:
> Faltstrom, Patrik verisign at paf.se
> Firma PAF
> Ledasa
> Lovestad 273 71
> SE
> +46-70-6059051 fax: 123 123 1234
>
> Record expires on 19-Sep-2008.
> Record created on 20-Sep-1996.
> Database last updated on 26-Dec-2005 01:25:32 EST.
> Domain servers in listed order:
>
> NS.ELISTX.COM 209.116.252.130
> ZEKE.ECOTROPH.NET 69.31.8.124
>
> *************************
>
> April 28, 2000
>
> Mr. Louis Touton
> Vice-President, Secretary, and General Counsel
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
> Marina del Rey, CA 90292
>
> Re: Purchase Order No. 40SBNT067020:
> Administration of the arpa Top Level Domain
>
> Dear Mr. Touton:
>
> As noted in your organization's quotation of February 2, 2000, the
> arpa Top Level Domain (TLD) exists in the root zone of the domain
> name system as a limited use domain currently consisting of one
> record, in-addr.arpa. On April 14, 2000, the Defense Advanced
> Research Projects Agency (DARPA), formerly known as the Advanced
> Research Projects Agency (ARPA), officially signaled its
> disassociation with the arpa domain and its understanding the domain
> would be used by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names (ICANN)
> and Numbers and the Internet Architecture Board (IAB) for additional
> Internet infrastructure uses.
>
> In keeping with the DARPA understanding, we believe that the arpa
> domain should be made available for this specific, limited purpose.
> The Department of Commerce considers this an Internet Assigned
> Numbers Authority (IANA) function and has requested that the WHOIS
> entry for the arpa domain reflect IANA as the registrant.
>
> Purchase Order No. 40SBNT067020 provides that "[ICANN] will perform
> other IANA functions as needed upon request of DOC." As such, the
> Department of Commerce requests that, as part of the IANA functions,
> ICANN undertake administration of the arpa TLD in cooperation with
> the Internet technical community under the guidance of the IAB, as a
> limited use domain for Internet infrastructure applications,
> including the migration of Internet infrastructure applications that
> currently reside in the .int TLD. Further, as indicated by DARPA,
> the arpa TLD string should be given a different expansion such as
> "Address and Routing Parameter Area" to avoid any implication that
> DARPA has operational responsibility for the domain.
>
> If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
>
> Sincerely, Karen Rose
> Purchase Order Technical Representative
>
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> Adelstein Jonathan CM-JA (202) 418-2300 Jonathan.Adelstein at fcc.gov
>
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