[governance] Comments from Bill Drake [attachment)

[Lee McKnight]

Bill,

When establishing new international norms, one must keep chanting them
like a mantra: 'e2e, e2e, e2e....' ; )

But not to disturb our bliss, just because I am paranoid doesn't mean
there aren't folks out to get us.  

So yes being careful in phraseology on human rights, matters, and on
e2e, matters.  

Lee

 

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Syracuse University
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>>> wdrake at cpsr.org 08/14/05 1:42 PM >>>
Hi Lee,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee McKnight [mailto:LMcKnigh at syr.edu] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:12 PM
> To: wdrake at cpsr.org; wdrake at ictsd.ch; governance at lists.cpsr.org 
> Subject: Re: [governance] Comments from Bill Drake [attachment]
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Re your suggested deletion of my EU paragraph:
>
> The point was to line up CS, the EU, WGIG, and the US all in favor
of
> Internet first principles, namely 'openness, interoperability and
the
> end-to-end principle.'  Your edit takes that phrase out.  I say we
put

I guess I just think these are pretty noncontroversial.  They are
invoked
in the WGIG report, nobody in WGIG argued against them, I don't recall
anyone in any of the consultations arguing against them, and should
any
governments opt to go off and do things that run counter in some
respect,
it wouldn't be because we failed to congratulate other parties on
recognizing that the earth is round.  But if you think it's important
I'm
fine with leaving it, t'was just a suggestion.  I don't know that we
help
anything by publicly siding with particular governmental parties on
points
where they are divided, but maybe it doesn't hurt anything either.

> it back in; I know the EC-crats are proud of themselves for having
> gotten their member governments to stand up and salute that phrase. 
So

Great pleasure in small victories, in Brussels? Who knew. They also
profess to believe that their position statement is crystal clear.

> I doubt they will object to CS citing their document's use of the
> phrase. But we can say it ourselves without reference to the EU, if
you
> prefer, as it's not like they thought of it first, just that they
are

I'd have preferred this route.

> the ones most explicitly pushing it at the international level this
> minute. So I don't see any harm in patting them on the back for
'getting
> it.'
>
> But whatever, as long as the phrase remains in the CS doc, I don't
> otherwise mind toning down the praise for the EU.
>
> Finally, note that by including explicitly the phrase, we also give
CS
> political cover from others who might suggest we are lining up with
> those looking to overly control the net.

Are there actually people saying this?  Has the Defending America's
Internet crowd discovered the caucus and decided we're in on the
conspiracy with the facless UN bureaucrats?  Cool, maybe we can even
get a
write in the Washington Times or something...

Cheers,

Bill

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