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ven the timeframe and the methodology. I still think that the chance of any=
thing meaningful eventuating is fairly slim.
However, I would be very happy to be proved wrong. Something needs to provi=
de a breakthough in the current IG hiatus.=20
Mistakes and bad communication seem to be happening on many levels. Very li=
ttle forward progress seems to be evident and little time remains for concr=
ete developments.
But as they say, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. P=
erhaps Brazil will give us that small single step.
So for me, I am persevering with quite small expectations, and I think that=
is probably our best path at this stage. There are plenty of things which =
are far from ideal but for me at least none of them suggest that it is time=
to withdraw or stop trying to make something of this.=20
From: Carolina Rossini=20
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:22 AM
To: parminder=20
Cc: mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net=20
Subject: Re: [bestbits] emails to Adiel
No problem for your words Parminder. I know there is a lot of frustration g=
oing on. But I have to secure you that ALL we know and ALL we have learned,=
we DID communicated to the list. Everything else, we simply did not know. =
And as soon as we learned (like, CGI wanting to channel communications thro=
ugh 1Net), we communicated immediately. So, I learned that yesterday and I =
communicated that yesterday. I learned that Adiel was going to Brazil yeste=
rday or the day before and than I communicated (and then he negated, and th=
en I asked again, and then folks said..."oh, Fadi is coming". And then I se=
nt your email with the letter of the Liasons to Fadi).=20
:-)
So, I promise to you parminder, that we know as much as you. And I also can=
tell you that CGI has been less transparency that we all would expect. We =
are actually pressuring the CS board members of CGI to get more involved (n=
ot all of them are), so we know better what is going on. Some folks in the =
government simply do not answer our emails anymore. When the 1net list was =
formed, Joana and I were alternating on reporting back to the lists week by=
week. But as soon as 1Net was open to all, we stopped that, since it seems=
all of you are also in that list.=20
So, I agree with you in the need of transparency and reporting. And I assur=
e you, if we are not sending news, it is because we do not have any. But re=
st assure that we are trying...everyday.=20
hugs
C
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 12:46 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrot=
e:
On Tuesday 07 January 2014 10:26 PM, Carolina Rossini wrote:
Dear folks,
Adiel will be the person in the meeting in Brazil on January 10th. Folk=
s in Brazil want this "1Net" fictional entity to filter ALL conversations w=
ith CGI.=20
Carolina
Your description of 1Net and its role as seen by LOG is interesting. The =
point is; does civil society agree to this arrangement - of 1Net filtering =
all conversations with CGI... or have we simply become a pushover (willing?=
) for the powerful to make deals among themselves. That would be such a sha=
me, and I have begun to get this feeling that we are fast getting there if =
not already there.
Do we want to write to LOG/ CGI that this arrangement is not acceptable t=
o us? I request that list members give their response to this.=20
That reminds me: at Bali, this issue was much discussed and four prominen=
t civil society groups (IGC, BB, APC and IRP) together agreed that, no this=
arrangement is not acceptable to us (Please let me know if this is *not* w=
hat people thing got agreed) and decided to send a letter to Brazilians to =
the effect, and also putting forward 4 CS Liaisons, who were requested to b=
e invited to all meetings related to organising the Brazil meeting. (Quite =
inexplicably though the drafting and sending of the letter got highly delay=
ed even after this decision.)
Caroline, you, and Joana and Laura were 3 liaisons . Why did you not keep=
us posted about what was happening in Brazil... Did you insist that you be=
invited to all meetings? If so, what was their response? Why did you not s=
hare their response with all of us? Why when, while such is in any case the=
duty of any CS rep, the letter clearly said that the Liaisons will keep CS=
groups posted about developments. However, whereas much has happened since=
that time, I dont remember a single report by the liaisons to us. Carlos u=
sed to report but then he had to drop out since he was made a member of LOG=
. But what about the three of you?
When after the last LOG meeting, we got the bombshell that it has been of=
ficially decided that 1Net will as you say 'filter ALL conversations with C=
GI' I wrote repeatedly to this list requesting CS Liaisons to bring us to s=
peed about what is happening. In fact, even Ian (and I think Jeremy) asked =
for some information about what was happening. But NONE of you responded to=
any of our requests....
I think. sorry for my words, but this is about a public duty, and seekin=
g accountability about it, this is a clear abdication of the role that you=
all were given as CS reps... I am sure there must be an explanation of thi=
s somewhere, in which case please do share it.=20
Thanks, parminder=20
So, it is better to write to Adiel, not just to CGI. Here is Adiel emai=
l if you prefer to do so: Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net>
--=20
Carol (in my personal capacity)=20
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<DIV>It seems I am not the only one wondering whether anything can be achie=
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<DIV>From the outset I thought that the aspirations were extremely amibitio=
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given the timeframe and the methodology. I still think that the chance of=20
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provide a breakthough in the current IG hiatus. </DIV>
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<DIV>Mistakes and bad communication seem to be happening on many levels. Ve=
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<DIV>But as they say, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single st=
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Perhaps Brazil will give us that small single step.</DIV>
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<DIV>So for me, I am persevering with quite small expectations, and I think=
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