[bestbits] [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
Tue Jan 8 12:52:30 EST 2019
A good idea as this is, can we get the genesis of how CS was split into
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 8:31 PM Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org wrote:
> Dear all,
> (dropping IGC as this is just for Bestbits members) Firstly, happy new
> year! I am writing to follow up on the conversation with regards to a
> proposal to merge IGC and Bestbits, discussed by those who attended the
> call organised last December.
> As noted earlier, the merger of the two groups was suggested as a way of
> avoiding duplication of work between groups, pooling resources and
> streamlining efforts so that they're more focused and coordinated -
> particularly around key forums and events.
> It would be interesting to hear feedback on this idea, positive or
> otherwise. Otherwise, I suggest another call to decide next steps?
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 02:46, ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>> Hi Arsene,
>> Mergers are difficult and imagine that both sides are going to have to
>> change structurally so that they can work together. Both organisations have
>> working rules and practices, changing both sets will be complex and I think
>> My opinion is that, in this case, BB should just decide to fold - and in
>> doing so, encourage its members to join IGC if they are not already
>> That's a lot simpler and leaves IGC intact and continuing as an umbrella
>> groups for civil society involvement in internet governance.
>> (Best Bits copied in). Just suggesting this because I think it is a lot
>> Ian Peter
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> To: "Mueller, Milton L" <milton at gatech.edu>
>> Cc: "Farzaneh Badiei" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>; "
>> governance at lists.riseup.net" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> Sent: 21/12/2018 9:12:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
>> Milton, i think i tried to explain why i was suggesting that. Sorry if
>> that was not clear. The reason is simple: we agreed to take time to discuss
>> the merger issue within the two groups separately. So, if we Cc both lists
>> that means to me we are not doing separately anymore. That’s my
>> understanding and i may be wrong.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 20 Dec 2018, at 23:32, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:
>> Why segregate the discussions, Arsene?
>> I don't understand that. It merely perpetuates the problem of a
>> fragmented and uncoordinated civil society!
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: governance-request at lists.riseup.net [mailto:governance-
>> request at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:32 AM
>> To: Farzaneh Badiei <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>;
>> governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
>> Farzaneh, all,
>> While we are still discussing and I do appreciate the discussion, may I
>> suggest we keep discussions separate in each specific group?
>> As I said in my original email, the issue of a merger should be discussed
>> SEPARATELY at the IGC and Best Bits lists.
>> Each group needs to have an internal discussion.
>> So, please do not Cc both groups when communicating. Some members are
>> on both lists and have posting rights on both but others don't, this may
>> to having fragmented pieces of emails when everyone is responding.
>> Hope this makes sense.
>> 2018-12-17 23:33 UTC+02:00, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>> Thanks Arsene.
>> We need to decide on merging IGC and BestBits. The suggestion comes
>> from the fact that we have not been active much during the past year.
>> Also fragmented efforts are a strain on resources. Having multiple
>> elections and multiple groups to coordinate (with really minimal
>> differences) and then not be active at all for a year is not really
>> De told us that apparently there is some kind of consensus method if I
>> am not mistaken. De, is there a documented approach?
>> I think the most important is to discuss why BestBits was created and
>> whether the reasons still stand and how BestBits members feel about
>> the merge. Maybe the ones with strong objections can be convinced,
>> maybe not.
>> Lets have the conversation. If we do not see a strong objection
>> (multiple organizations, individuals object and give reasons as to why
>> BestBits should remain even if dormant), then we can decide on the
>> merge. If there are strong objections, then we will not go with the merge.
>> From what I see from BestBits website, the following individuals are
>> at the steering committee of BestBits:
>> - Nighat Dad
>> - Poncelet Ileleji
>> - Renata Ribeiro
>> - Dave Burstein
>> - Imran Ahmed Shah [second term of election]
>> - Antonella Perini [co-opted by committee]
>> Besbits CSCG Representatives
>> - Claudio Lucena Neto (2018-2019)
>> - Sheetal Kumar (2017-2018)
>> Does this list still stand? Do the steering committee members of
>> BestBits and the reps on CSCG would like to weigh in?
>> I know Sheetal was on the call. Would be good to hear from others.
>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:00 AM Arsène Tungali
>> <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> Hi everyone,
>> You have probably seen this already on a different thread but thought
>> it well to have this discussion solely on the IGC list (as I expect
>> Best Bits to do the same), that's why i started this thread hoping to
>> hear from you on this important question.
>> This need for merging was raised by some IGC members during a civil
>> society call that had mostly IGC and Best Bits participants; many of
>> whom are both IGC and Best Bits (BB) members. The call happened last
>> week and Farzaneh offered to share the link to the recording.
>> I will not go into much details about the rationale but would welcome
>> anyone to weigh in and share their reasoning on whether or not we
>> should merge both lists. We will need to also answer the question on
>> how (who is doing what?) will this happen? Is the IGC going to become
>> BB or the latter becoming IGC? Or are we working towards a different
>> group where members of both groups will all be added?
>> This brings back to my memory the whole hassle we had to migrate
>> (SAVE?) this list and allow us to have this discussion list (which
>> hasn't been quite active for a few months but where many feel safe to
>> share IG related updates). So i hope we discuss and take into account
>> the technical cost of the merging process (should it happen).
>> I am also not sure how we will gauge consensus about this question on
>> this list? Should we vote? How long do we take to decide? Should we
>> consult IGC 'founders' or former Co-coordinators separately and ask
>> them what they think?
>> During the call, Bruna and I offered to have a decision by
>> mid-January and we hope this is realistic given the holiday season.
>> We will then report to the group.
>> I just wanted to throw this all here and would REALLY appreciate a
>> discussion that will help us move forward and come to a conclusion.
>> Best regards,
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