[bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary

Wed Sep 20 15:39:43 EDT 2017

Hi all of you

What is going on in Spanish is so complicated but wish them the best.

Khouzeifi Issakha Doudbane

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017, Raquel Rennó <raquelrenno at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jordi is listed in more than one presentantion in LACNIC. What would be
> the title of it?
>
> Thanks and thank you for the information and discussion!
>
> Raquel Renno
> Tactical Tech Collective
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raquino at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> i think it will take some time to be up in LACNIC channel on Youtube
>>
>> http://www.lacnic.net/web/eventos/lacnic28-webcasting
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','plommer at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can we have the link to the video, please?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 22:01 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raquino at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow
>>>> You just lost an incredible dialogue in LACNIC between Steve Crocker
>>>> and Jordi Palet (community member who is from Catalonia)
>>>> Highly recommend watching the streaming
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gus at publicknowledge.org');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Article 155 of the Spanish Constitution establishes a mechanism for
>>>>> the intervention of a region (Comunidad Autonoma) that requires approval by
>>>>> the Senate after the President of the Spanish Government asks the President
>>>>> of the Comunidad Autonoma for redress (http://www.congreso.es/consti
>>>>> /constitucion/indice/titulos/articulos.jsp?ini=155&tipo=2). Point
>>>>> here being: there is a Constitutional mechanism to do what the Spanish
>>>>> executive is doing through the action of the judiciary that involves and
>>>>> includes the opinion of the Parliament. In my opinion, this is a case that
>>>>> should include the voice of the Parliament.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in addition, the Spanish President said today: "The Government is
>>>>> doing what it has to do" ( http://www.lavanguardia.com/po
>>>>> litica/20170920/431423116122/cronologia-20s-inflexion-refere
>>>>> ndum-1-o.html ).
>>>>>
>>>>> So no Ayden, I think it is correct to talk about Spanish government.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----
>>>>> # # #
>>>>> # • #
>>>>> # #
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gus Rossi*
>>>>> Global Policy Director (202) 861-0020 (x123) | (202) 651 1337
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>>>>> | CFC 12259
>>>>>
>>>>> *The IP3 Awards are September 28th!* RSVP at
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ayden at ferdeline.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a separation of powers in Spain; this action is the result
>>>>>> of judicial action, not the more ominous sounding "Spanish government" ;-).
>>>>>> I think it is important we remember this. Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Spain/Catalunya Developments. Scary
>>>>>> Local Time: 20 September 2017 7:29 PM
>>>>>> UTC Time: 20 September 2017 18:29
>>>>>> From: raquino at gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raquino at gmail.com');>
>>>>>> To: James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james at cyberinvasion.net');>>
>>>>>> Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gus at publicknowledge.org');>>, Renata
>>>>>> Avila <renata.avila at webfoundation.org
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','renata.avila at webfoundation.org');>>,
>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bestbits at lists.bestbits.net');>> < <
>>>>>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bestbits at lists.bestbits.net');>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like this thread
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/netfreedom/status/910498838137499648
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The violence of it all could end up taking offline things which have
>>>>>> nothing to do w/ Catalonia at all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i would be careful, though, with the brand "Spanish government".
>>>>>> Itself is very divided and so far I haven't really understood who was the
>>>>>> genius responsible for this raid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM, James Gannon <
>>>>>> james at cyberinvasion.net
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james at cyberinvasion.net');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Im going to go out on a limb here and split my response,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First - this is a terrible terrible action, the right of people to
>>>>>>> self organise and decide their future should be sacrosanct and these heavy
>>>>>>> handed tactics should be denounced far and wide. We fight against this kind
>>>>>>> of action in far flung corners of the world, in Europe we lose a lot of our
>>>>>>> creditability when we allow things like this to happen on our own doorstep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secondly - I don’t think ICANN should have a response, at the end of
>>>>>>> the day this is a content issue and that is something ICANN has no role in.
>>>>>>> If the whole of .cat had been taken down yes that would be a different
>>>>>>> conversation but again, my understanding is that its official LEO and
>>>>>>> government actions here with the takedowns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 20:22, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gus at publicknowledge.org');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm writing a blogpost from PK's side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward seeing/hearing more voices :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Gus Rossi*
>>>>>>> Global Policy Director (202) 861-0020 (x123) | (202) 651 1337
>>>>>>> <(202)%651-1337> (mobile) | @agustinrs
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/agustinrs>
>>>>>>> *Public Knowledge* | @publicknowledge
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/publicknowledge> | www.publicknowledge.org
>>>>>>> 1818 N St. NW, Suite 410 |
>>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1818+N+St.+NW,+Suite+410+%7C%C2%A0Washington,+DC+20036&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1818+N+St.+NW,+Suite+410+%7C%C2%A0Washington,+DC+20036+%3Chttps://maps.google.com/?q%3D1818%2BN%2BSt.%2BNW,%2BSuite%2B410%2B%257C%25C2%25A0Washington,%2BDC%2B20036%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg%3E&entry=gmail&source=g>Washington,
>>>>>>> DC 20036
>>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1818+N+St.+NW,+Suite+410+%7C%C2%A0Washington,+DC+20036&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>> | CFC 12259
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *The IP3 Awards are September 28th!* RSVP at
>>>>>>> publicknowledge.org/IP32017.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Renata Avila <
>>>>>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','renata.avila at webfoundation.org');>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Totally and it is not isolated from increasingly restrictive -
>>>>>>>> repressive laws and practices the Spanish government has approved and
>>>>>>>> practiced the last 5 years. And it sets a precedent of what is acceptable
>>>>>>>> if people from the international community remain silent.
>>>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1818+N+St.+NW,+Suite+410+%7C%C2%A0+%3Chttps://maps.google.com/?q%3D1818%2BN%2BSt.%2BNW,%2BSuite%2B410%2B%257C%25C2%25A0Washington,%2BDC%2B20036%2B%253Chttps://maps.google.com/?q%253D1818%252BN%252BSt.%252BNW,%252BSuite%252B410%252B%25257C%2525C2%2525A0Washington,%252BDC%252B20036%2526entry%253Dgmail%2526source%253Dg%253E%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg%3EWashington,+DC+20036+%3Chttps://maps.google.com/?q%3D1818%2BN%2BSt.%2BNW,%2BSuite%2B410%2B%257C%25C2%25A0Washington,%2BDC%2B20036%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg%3E&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, politics are complicated. Everywhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the defence of human rights is non partisan and a collective
>>>>>>>> responsibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am curious to read ICANN response and diff positions from our
>>>>>>>> organisations and spaces.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> R
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Renata Avila
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Senior Digital Rights Advisor*
>>>>>>>> renata.avila at webfoundation.org
>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','renata.avila at webfoundation.org');>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *1110 Vermont Ave NW, Suite 500, Washington DC 20005, USA
>>>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1110+Vermont+Ave+NW,+Suite+500,+Washington+DC+20005,+USA&entry=gmail&source=g>*
>>>>>>>>  *| **www.webfoundation.org* <http://www.webfoundation.org/>* |
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @webfoundation*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Gus Rossi <gus at publicknowledge.org
>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gus at publicknowledge.org');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Context: *Catalunya is holding an independence referendum next
>>>>>>>>> month. The Spanish Constitution does not recognize any kind of questioning
>>>>>>>>> of the territorial integrity of Spain. But the Catalan parliament approved
>>>>>>>>> having a referendum anyway. Today, Spanish police carried out morning raids
>>>>>>>>> at regional government offices in Barcelona, arresting several Catalan
>>>>>>>>> officials involved in preparations for the referendum. In addition,
>>>>>>>>> websites have been shutdown or blocked, and .CAT domain technical staff
>>>>>>>>> have been detained. Also, the magazines of an important independentist
>>>>>>>>> association (Omnium Cultural) have been denied delivery by the Spanish
>>>>>>>>> postal service.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regardless of what you might think of the Catalan political
>>>>>>>>> process, independentist movements in Europe, or else, there are some things
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to bring to your attention.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *The Internet:* Right now, this conflict has definitively spilled
>>>>>>>>> over Internet Freedom of Expression, human rights, and the right to an open
>>>>>>>>> Internet:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> .CAT domain has been intervened by the Spanish Police (Guardia
>>>>>>>>> Civil:  https://twitter.com/puntcat/status/910446518494269440)
>>>>>>>>> All web pages under that domain that have information about the referendum
>>>>>>>>> have been suspended.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The technical staff of .CAT has been detained by the police
>>>>>>>>> (including one ISOC-CAT member).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was the webpage calling for the catalan referendum:
>>>>>>>>> http://ref1oct.cat/. nic.EU is now hosting the webpage, but there
>>>>>>>>> are reports that Spanish authorities have ordered ISPs to block the DNSs:
>>>>>>>>> ref1oct.eu
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are large DDoS attacks on some websites (apparently
>>>>>>>>> Cloudflare is under attack, as per some reports), and there is
>>>>>>>>> traffic manipulation by the ISPs (DNS blocking on certain domains).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In addition, there has been confiscation of personal goods of the
>>>>>>>>> Catalan politicians, police searches in newspapers and printing plants,
>>>>>>>>> some email.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is Western Europe in 2017 that we are talking about. We
>>>>>>>>> should be worried.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Gus Rossi*
>>>>>>>>> Global Policy Director (202) 861-0020 (x123) | (202) 651 1337
>>>>>>>>> <(202)%651-1337> (mobile) | @agustinrs
>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/agustinrs>
>>>>>>>>> *Public Knowledge* | @publicknowledge
>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/publicknowledge> | www.publicknowledge.org
>>>>>>>>> 1818 N St. NW, Suite 410 | Washington, DC 20036
>>>>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1818+N+St.+NW,+Suite+410+%7C%C2%A0Washington,+DC+20036&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>>>> | CFC 12259
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *The IP3 Awards are September 28th!* RSVP at
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>>>>>>>>>
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