[bestbits] [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world

[James Gannon]

I was replying to kanumuri s raju email which rambled on about

“Now once again weapons of mass cyber destruction is getting to play role.Transmitting controlling people ( TCP) as Incompatible  politics ( IP ) are coming into effect to create new world order for destruction of Eco system & ECHO between citizens of world who are humans living with animals and trees water etc around them. Pollute every thing.”

If this is the level of discourse we want on this list then Ill head elsewhere at this stage, this list was at one stage a place for good intelligent discourse but in the last year is degraded a lot to be honest (with some exceptions)


From: Brandt Dainow [mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com]
Sent: 07 July 2017 12:58
To: James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
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Subject: RE: [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world

Hi James,
With the greatest respect, I don’t think this is spamming.  Willi may not be the best writer of English, but it’s not his first language and we shouldn’t dismiss someone’s ideas just because they can’t express themselves as we would like, especially in an international forum.  His ideas may be very left-wing by European standards, but they’re fairly mainstream within many communities in Latin America.  He thus represents a genuine political view, and one which actually dominates the governments of some Latin American countries since the rise of Morales, which sees western, especially US, businesses as imperialist enterprises and regards capitalism, even Chinese capitalism, as nothing but an evil force aimed at reducing most people to a state of slavery.  This may sound extreme, but when you look at the living conditions of many poor people in Latin America, their domination by corrupt politicians and local leaders, often descendants of conquistador families who have dominated their communities for centuries, you see that the reality of their lives is not much more than serfdom.  The same is true in India and other countries.

There is a tendency of ISOC policy to become dominated by western political opinion from the centrist to neoliberal range, with insufficient weight given to Marxist and other views, which genuinely represent the opinions of hundreds of millions of people, especially in poorer parts of the world.  I am not advocating Marxism over capitalism, but I think Willi does us a service by continually representing this view.  To be an educated westerner is to be a member of the global elite.  The average westerner is unaware of how much of their comfortable existence is dependant on a western-dominated global trade system based on exploitation of the poor in other parts of the world by extracting resources corruptly and not paying their full value, thus passing the financial benefit to the western consumer in unjustly cheap consumer pricing.

You may not like Willi’s opinions, you may even find them silly, and sometimes the wording means understanding requires some effort, but that doesn’t make it spam.  I may not always agree with Willi, and I often think him too extreme, but I think he provides a valuable contribution to this forum, and they are typically relevant to ISOC policy.

Regards,
Brandt Dainow
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Regards,
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From: InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of James Gannon
Sent: 07 July 2017 10:27
To: srajukanumuri; willi uebelherr
Cc: Best Bits; ISOC Internet Policy; IUF list; IGF gov; APC list
Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world

Please stop spamming this list. You have been asked multiple times over the last few months.

-James

From: InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of srajukanumuri
Sent: 07 July 2017 09:24
To: willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net<mailto:willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>>
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Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world

Dear one and all .
 Last seven years globally it really disturbing with wars for resources , oil and gas ,
 crony capitalists looting banks ( global banking bankruptcy ) , Knowledge theft's
 ( china etc ) , Drugs and lastly all governments trying to control their own citizens
 and social media getting used to reach other countries falls ( great march in Egypt)
 and making ICT as cyber war to kill economies with fake news with controlled
 media ,Internet, news 's companies which lead to all developing countries under
 poverty and also most all middle class poor suffering.
 USA / RUSSIA  fragmented geo political issues made china occupy Tibet and other
 Indian lands and also making pakistan and other rouge countries as their partners
 to reach its foot print all over the world the same way BRITISH and other colonial
 rulers / countries occupied other countries. Recent brit ext is classic example and using
 terrorism to impact voters and also becoming common hidden cold war model's in the form
 of new Burka - cyber war's and hate politics . Divide and rule.
 From last 70 years India is facing terrorism and other forms of proxy war's. now other parts
 of world are getting impacted. There is no good and bad.
China last 6 months threatening India , stopped Hindu's famous mansarovar / muount kilash pilgrimage and also threatening to occupy other Indian lands and also liberate skkim etc
all china wars with India is to loot TIBET and other parts where it can control water and
also make Buddhism / Hinduism vanish as communists. Now world order in place. TAIWAN ,
HONGKONG , VIETNAM. JAPAN etc countries are getting bully-ed with PAK , Silk route
projects etc.

Most of China GDP came with other countries opting for cheap goods and others thinking that they can save billions of dollars they used this to over come others to expand
even to Africa to kill animals ( elephants , Rhino's ) , Iron ore and other precious metals the
same looting happened  from India to build Olympics stadiums with looted IRON ore and
red sandal wood smugglers and lastly drugs. this story is every where with script in different
forms and different news head lines Destabilized world ( south America , Africa ).
history is one way repeating making G - 20 countries fighting each other for their own survival or to become top 7 countries rule rest of world in various types of Governance. (POLITICAL DATA VIRUS RANSOM GOVERNMENTS NETWORKS ).
Now once again weapons of mass cyber destruction is getting to play role.Transmitting controlling people ( TCP) as Incompatible  politics ( IP ) are coming into effect to create new world order for destruction of Eco system & ECHO between citizens of world who are humans living with animals and trees water etc around them. Pollute every thing.

The day TIBET , HONG KONG and other occupied lands are liberated to original owners from country levels to village levels than only world will change thinking as one family from country to village levels.

world is flat distracting every body / killing every body with out self growth self knowledge self sufficient self values etc
E - commerce , M - commerce is over now it is   " RSV -commerce "  Ransom Surveillance Virus ware Commerce.

Good day to you all
kanumuri s raju

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On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 4:59 AM, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net<mailto:willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>> wrote:

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Betreff: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world
Datum: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 13:37:00 -0400 (EDT)
Von: RootsAction Team <info at rootsaction.org<mailto:info at rootsaction.org>>
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