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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I was replying to </span>
kanumuri s raju email which rambled on about <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“Now once again weapons of mass cyber destruction is getting to play role.Transmitting controlling people ( TCP) as Incompatible politics ( IP ) are coming into effect to create new world order for destruction of Eco system & ECHO between
citizens of world who are humans living with animals and trees water etc around them. Pollute every thing.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If this is the level of discourse we want on this list then Ill head elsewhere at this stage, this list was at one stage a place for good intelligent discourse but in the last year is degraded a lot to be honest (with some exceptions)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Brandt Dainow [mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> 07 July 2017 12:58<br>
<b>To:</b> James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Best Bits' <bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>; 'ISOC Internet Policy' <internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org>; 'IUF list' <iuf@lists.riseup.net>; 'IGF gov' <governance@lists.igcaucus.org>; 'APC list' <apc.forum@lists.apc.org>; 'srajukanumuri' <srajukanumuri@gmail.com>;
'willi uebelherr' <willi.uebelherr@riseup.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D">Hi James,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D">With the greatest respect, I don’t think this is spamming. Willi may not be the best writer of English, but it’s not his first language and we shouldn’t dismiss someone’s ideas just because they
can’t express themselves as we would like, especially in an international forum. His ideas may be very left-wing by European standards, but they’re fairly mainstream within many communities in Latin America. He thus represents a genuine political view, and
one which actually dominates the governments of some Latin American countries since the rise of Morales, which sees western, especially US, businesses as imperialist enterprises and regards capitalism, even Chinese capitalism, as nothing but an evil force
aimed at reducing most people to a state of slavery. This may sound extreme, but when you look at the living conditions of many poor people in Latin America, their domination by corrupt politicians and local leaders, often descendants of conquistador families
who have dominated their communities for centuries, you see that the reality of their lives is not much more than serfdom. The same is true in India and other countries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D">There is a tendency of ISOC policy to become dominated by western political opinion from the centrist to neoliberal range, with insufficient weight given to Marxist and other views, which genuinely
represent the opinions of hundreds of millions of people, especially in poorer parts of the world. I am not advocating Marxism over capitalism, but I think Willi does us a service by continually representing this view. To be an educated westerner is to be
a member of the global elite. The average westerner is unaware of how much of their comfortable existence is dependant on a western-dominated global trade system based on exploitation of the poor in other parts of the world by extracting resources corruptly
and not paying their full value, thus passing the financial benefit to the western consumer in unjustly cheap consumer pricing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D">You may not like Willi’s opinions, you may even find them silly, and sometimes the wording means understanding requires some effort, but that doesn’t make it spam. I may not always agree with Willi,
and I often think him too extreme, but I think he provides a valuable contribution to this forum, and they are typically relevant to ISOC policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D">Brandt Dainow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow">http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D">Brandt Dainow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:brandt.dainow@gmail.com">brandt.dainow@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE" style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow">http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> InternetPolicy [<a href="mailto:internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gannon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 July 2017 10:27<br>
<b>To:</b> srajukanumuri; willi uebelherr<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Best Bits; ISOC Internet Policy; IUF list; IGF gov; APC list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please stop spamming this list. You have been asked multiple times over the last few months.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> InternetPolicy [<a href="mailto:internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org">mailto:internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>srajukanumuri<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 July 2017 09:24<br>
<b>To:</b> willi uebelherr <<a href="mailto:willi.uebelherr@riseup.net">willi.uebelherr@riseup.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ISOC Internet Policy <<a href="mailto:internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org">internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org</a>>; IUF list <<a href="mailto:iuf@lists.riseup.net">iuf@lists.riseup.net</a>>; IGF gov <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>;
Best Bits <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>; APC list <<a href="mailto:apc.forum@lists.apc.org">apc.forum@lists.apc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internet Policy] RootsAction: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Last seven years globally it really disturbing with wars for resources , oil and gas ,
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<p class="MsoNormal"> and social media getting used to reach other countries falls ( great march in Egypt)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> and making ICT as cyber war to kill economies with fake news with controlled<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> media ,Internet, news 's companies which lead to all developing countries under<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> poverty and also most all middle class poor suffering.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> USA / RUSSIA fragmented geo political issues made china occupy Tibet and other
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<p class="MsoNormal"> to reach its foot print all over the world the same way BRITISH and other colonial
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<p class="MsoNormal"> rulers / countries occupied other countries. Recent brit ext is classic example and using<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> terrorism to impact voters and also becoming common hidden cold war model's in the form<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> of new Burka - cyber war's and hate politics . Divide and rule.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> From last 70 years India is facing terrorism and other forms of proxy war's. now other parts<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> of world are getting impacted. There is no good and bad.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">China last 6 months threatening India , stopped Hindu's famous mansarovar / muount kilash pilgrimage and also threatening to occupy other Indian lands and also liberate skkim etc
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<p class="MsoNormal">all china wars with India is to loot TIBET and other parts where it can control water and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">HONGKONG , VIETNAM. JAPAN etc countries are getting bully-ed with PAK , Silk route
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<p class="MsoNormal">even to Africa to kill animals ( elephants , Rhino's ) , Iron ore and other precious metals the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">same looting happened from India to build Olympics stadiums with looted IRON ore and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">forms and different news head lines Destabilized world ( south America , Africa ).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now once again weapons of mass cyber destruction is getting to play role.Transmitting controlling people ( TCP) as Incompatible politics ( IP ) are coming into effect to create new world order for destruction of Eco system & ECHO between
citizens of world who are humans living with animals and trees water etc around them. Pollute every thing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 4:59 AM, willi uebelherr <<a href="mailto:willi.uebelherr@riseup.net" target="_blank">willi.uebelherr@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Betreff: Like it or not (and we don't), they could destroy the world<br>
Datum: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 13:37:00 -0400 (EDT)<br>
Von: RootsAction Team <<a href="mailto:info@rootsaction.org" target="_blank">info@rootsaction.org</a>><br>
Antwort an: <a href="mailto:info@rootsaction.org" target="_blank">info@rootsaction.org</a><br>
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What happens during the announced meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin in a few days, at the G-20 summit in Germany, could determine the fate of the Earth.<br>
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The" Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists" continues to warn the world that *the hands of the risk-estimate "Doomsday Clock" have moved even closer to catastrophic midnight*. The dangers of global nuclear holocaust are increasing -- and a major factor is the rise
of tensions between the United States and Russia.<br>
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So, profoundly, this is not about Trump or Putin. *This is about whether relations between the two nuclear-weapons superpowers will continue to spin out, worsening the risks of military confrontation.* This is about whether the young people we love -- and so
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We vehemently urge you to take a constructive approach to your planned meeting at the G-20 summit. Whatever our differences, we must reduce rather than increase the risks of nuclear war. The future of humanity is at stake."<br>
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