[bestbits] [] Re: [] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU Plenipot joint recommendations

[Avri Doria]

On 25-Oct-14 00:12, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal wrote:
> The irony might lay somewhere else: it appears that your vision of a future (to-be-achieved) MSism tends to ignore a necessary critic of what MS was and still is. It also appears to start with the premise that any current form of classical representativity or democracy should be seen as non valid form to contribute to the future of Internet Governance, in order to switch from the current asymmetry to a so-called Participative MS Democratic form of Internet Governance. The irony is that everything that is related to classical representation, governmental actors, national or transnational law is considered as BAD for IG. This dogma - to exclude classical means of representativity or Democracy - is as radical as to refuse to listen to engineers, business, researchers, civil society who contribute directly or indirectly to IG. And to label the ones calling for respect of classical representativity or democracy "radical multilateralist" is simply unfair.

Hi,

This is just not the case.  I believe that the representatives from
government participate among the other stakeholders and indeed form a
stakeholder group, or groups, of their own.  I believe
multistakeholderism (m17m) must include the governments, doing what
governments do, in the discussions among all stakeholders.

Without that component, it would be a problem.  My definitions, and I
believe those of many, builds on representative democracy by including
it in the mix.  My argument for equal footing  at least in all
discussions, includes governments as well as the other stakeholders. 

> that evil for IG emerges

If there is emergent evil (though I am not sure I believe in evil as I
am not a Manichean)  I certainly would _not_ define it as all coming
from governments.  If I were to define something that could be called
emergent evil in Ig, I might define it as stemming from an absence of
equal footing in all discussions.

avri
m17m.org
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