[bestbits] [governance] Re: NMI and the Brazilian CGI.br

[Izumi AIZU]

I feel very much similar to what Jeanette and Adam said already.
Besides, it would be much more important to see ahead. To me, Net Mundial
Initiative looks that much legitimate, but we need to see much beyond a
shorter perspective.

izumi



2014-11-23 21:32 GMT+09:00 Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp>:

>
> On Nov 23, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Am 23.11.14 02:23, schrieb Louis Pouzin (well):
> >> Hi all,
> >
> >> NetMundial was a similar scenario. The high level committee members
> >> never got any contact from the brazilian chair. ICANN had already taken
> >> over.
> >
> > Someone asked me to comment on this since I also was a member of the
> High Level Committee. So, I comment. According to my memory (and email
> archive) what Louis says is not true.
> >
>
> As a member of the executive committee which sent a draft to the HLC and
> then received comment, my memory is the same as Jeanette’s.  Louis, I don’t
> remember you contributing much at all, on any list or in Sao Paulo, so
> perhaps you’re memory’s playing tricks.  But I don’t have access to the HLC
> list archive.
>
>
> > The Executive Committee sent a draft for the HLMC to comment on. Some
> HLMC members commented, others didn't but complained instead about the lack
> of process. There was a lack of process, true, but this does not mean that
> ICANN had taken over. On the contrary, there was plenty of opportunity for
> us to influence and shape both the process and the draft documents.
> >
>
> EMC expected the HLC would produce a consolidated response, instead there
> were 9 or more different versions returned, mostly from government, but I
> remember documents from ICANN and ISOC (though members from non-govt
> organizations were there are individuals) .  I am pretty sure those
> documents were leaked, so should be available online in some form or other.
>
>
> > Lack of process is not always a bad thing. In the case of NM it provided
> significant opportunities for CS to assume responsibility and contribute to
> the draft documents. Adam but also Marilia were among the people who
> contributed a lot to the drafts. The 'ICANN dominates the world' kind of
> narrative does not do justice to the efforts of CS people in this process.
> >
>
>
> I don’t remember anyone/any organization, including ICANN, trying to
> unduly influence EMC drafting.  Prior to Sao Paulo, except for some
> silliness during the online comment period over “permissionless
> innovation”, the process was quite fair.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> > jeanette
> >
> >
> >>
> >> This WEF/ICANN nebulous gobbledygook smacks of another railroading to
> >> capture some opponents to the US business predator strategy. Let's see
> >> what happens to Brazil.
> >>   .
> >> Louis
> >> - - -
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:34 PM, <parminder at itforchange.net
> >> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>    Dear members of CGI.Br and signatories of the appeal for support to
> the
> >>    ICANN-WEF global IG  Initiative;
> >>    [snip]
> >>
> >
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                     >> Izumi Aizu <<
Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo
Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita,
Japan
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