[bestbits] [governance] Fw: [IP] ISOC Board Statement on the Net Mundial Initiative

Mon Nov 17 13:58:28 EST 2014

I would also like to have more clarity on all the points Amelia  raises
including the locus of the decisions that are made. I have rarely seen
a  discussion which helps strategize ways to use push from global civil
society to overcome local problems.

On 11/17/2014 01:54 PM, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On 11/17/14 09:18, William Drake wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Kathy was very skeptical at the 28 August meeting held at WEF, so it’s no surprise.  At the time her concerns seemed to focus mostly on procedural aspects, the way the whole thing was being teed up, explained and constituted, which was bugging a lot of people.   I think the organizers tried to accommodate some of the push back they received, e.g. by inviting the CSCG to review CS proposals and bless five, but ambiguities remain as we’ve discussed.  
>>
>> What the ISOC statement does not do is assess whether the idea of such a platform could be substantively useful.  The case there alas has not been made clearly enough yet either.  I have to admit I don’t quite get ISOC’s statement that "no single, global platform that can serve to coordinate, organize or govern all the Internet issues,” since that clearly is not what’s being proposed.
> I find myself asking what "useful" would mean. Clearly there is a need
> for decision making, not only of the technical kind but also of a
> political and economical kind. Technical decisions can easily be unmade
> by making their implementation economically unfeasible (as has been done
> for electronics with CALEA, et c)
>
> We have a problem with the level of decision making. Is this new global
> forum actually incentivising proper decision making at the right level?
> To me it appears just another talk forum, of which we already have one
> (IGF).
>
> There is also the question of the IGF: should it be more useful? As
> Jeremy Malcolm has pointed out, civil society has tried to reinforce IGF
> in the past, but unsuccessfully. Building on the NN Dynamic Coalition
> experience might eventually turn out more fruitful also for the I*s than
> to go along with the explosion of new forums for talking about IG.

>
>> In any event, if more networks decide not to participate in providing names the organizers will indeed be free to compose the CC however they like.
> Most of the very contentious decisions about the internet's future are
> made in legislatures around the world, not in the UN. Most contentious
> decisions are also contentious for political or economical reasons, not
> for technical reasons. Such problems need to be over-come by local
> engagement (I believe) and so it might be good if more networks joined
> ISOC in turning down more global forums and focusing more on local level
> policies(?)

> best regards,
>
> Amelia
>
>> Best
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ISOC said more or less the same thing in 2005 about the idea of founding an Internet Governance Forum.
>>> jeanette
>>>
>>> Am 17.11.14 05:04, schrieb Ian Peter:
>>>> Note: ISOC is refusing to participate at this stage in WEF NMI initiative
>>>> Big development... will be interesting to see responses
>>>> *From:* Dave Farber via ip <mailto:ip at listbox.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2014 2:47 PM
>>>> *To:* ip <mailto:ip at listbox.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [IP] ISOC Board Statement on the Net Mundial Initiative
>>>>
>>>> A must read djf
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: "Bob Hinden" <bob.hinden at gmail.com <mailto:bob.hinden at gmail.com>>
>>>> Date: Nov 16, 2014 5:30 PM
>>>> Subject: [isoc-trustees] ISOC Board Statement on the Net Mundial Initiative
>>>> To: "ISOC Board of Trustees" <isoc-trustees at elists.isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:isoc-trustees at elists.isoc.org>>
>>>> Cc:
>>>>
>>>> Attached is the statement that will be on the ISOC web site in 30
>>>> minutes or so.
>>>>
>>>> Once you see it there, please post it to facebook and tweet it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the very productive meeting yesterday and today!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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