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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I would also like to have more clarity
on all the points Amelia raises including the locus of the
decisions that are made. I have rarely seen a discussion which
helps strategize ways to use push from global civil society to
overcome local problems.<br>
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On 11/17/2014 01:54 PM, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:<br>
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On 11/17/14 09:18, William Drake wrote:
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Kathy was very skeptical at the 28 August meeting held at WEF, so it’s no surprise. At the time her concerns seemed to focus mostly on procedural aspects, the way the whole thing was being teed up, explained and constituted, which was bugging a lot of people. I think the organizers tried to accommodate some of the push back they received, e.g. by inviting the CSCG to review CS proposals and bless five, but ambiguities remain as we’ve discussed.
What the ISOC statement does not do is assess whether the idea of such a platform could be substantively useful. The case there alas has not been made clearly enough yet either. I have to admit I don’t quite get ISOC’s statement that "no single, global platform that can serve to coordinate, organize or govern all the Internet issues,” since that clearly is not what’s being proposed.
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I find myself asking what "useful" would mean. Clearly there is a need
for decision making, not only of the technical kind but also of a
political and economical kind. Technical decisions can easily be unmade
by making their implementation economically unfeasible (as has been done
for electronics with CALEA, et c)
We have a problem with the level of decision making. Is this new global
forum actually incentivising proper decision making at the right level?
To me it appears just another talk forum, of which we already have one
(IGF).
There is also the question of the IGF: should it be more useful? As
Jeremy Malcolm has pointed out, civil society has tried to reinforce IGF
in the past, but unsuccessfully. Building on the NN Dynamic Coalition
experience might eventually turn out more fruitful also for the I*s than
to go along with the explosion of new forums for talking about IG.</pre>
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<pre wrap="">In any event, if more networks decide not to participate in providing names the organizers will indeed be free to compose the CC however they like.
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Most of the very contentious decisions about the internet's future are
made in legislatures around the world, not in the UN. Most contentious
decisions are also contentious for political or economical reasons, not
for technical reasons. Such problems need to be over-come by local
engagement (I believe) and so it might be good if more networks joined
ISOC in turning down more global forums and focusing more on local level
policies(?)
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best regards,
Amelia
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Bill
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<pre wrap="">On Nov 17, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Jeanette Hofmann <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu"><jeanette@wzb.eu></a> wrote:
ISOC said more or less the same thing in 2005 about the idea of founding an Internet Governance Forum.
jeanette
Am 17.11.14 05:04, schrieb Ian Peter:
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<pre wrap="">Note: ISOC is refusing to participate at this stage in WEF NMI initiative
Big development... will be interesting to see responses
*From:* Dave Farber via ip <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ip@listbox.com"><mailto:ip@listbox.com></a>
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A must read djf
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Cc:
Attached is the statement that will be on the ISOC web site in 30
minutes or so.
Once you see it there, please post it to facebook and tweet it.
Thanks for the very productive meeting yesterday and today!
Thanks,
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