[bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM

Sat May 3 01:44:59 EDT 2014

Indeed! My English interpreter says all ;)

sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 2 May 2014 21:27, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> Godwin, your friend is not very good at English. "Computer-crime
> defendants" without a modifier means an indeterminate number of them, not
> all of them... So you were probably right. ;)
>
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> --c.a.
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> On 02/05/2014, at 19:28, "Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG)" <
> mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG> wrote:
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> This reminds me of a friend who asked me a couple of decades back what I
> was doing in my post-law-school work. “I represent computer-crime
> defendants,” I told him. His response: “What? All of them?"
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> From: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, May 2, 2014 at 1:17 PM
> To: 'Carolina Rossini' <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>, 'Eduardo Bertoni' <
> ebertoni65 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> Subject: RE: [bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM
>
> Carolina in the statement (and in the other statement as I recall) the
> terminology of “we as civil society” was used repeatedly either directly
> or as implied.
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>
>
> Perhaps, given what you say below you might want to correct that (it seems
> a wee bit arrogant to my ears to be claiming to be speaking on behalf of
> all of civil society—I know for example that I, and my Community
> Informatics colleagues weren’t consulted… and I’m guessing that the other
> several billion or so folks who might identify themselves as CS weren’t
> consulted either.
>
> M
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> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [
> mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net<bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Carolina Rossini
> *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2014 5:23 PM
> *To:* Eduardo Bertoni
> *Cc:* <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM
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> I do not think it is a contradiction. It just mirrors different
> reflections by many who did not feel represented in the statement delivered
> at the end. BB is a platform, not a body or an organization. Not every
> statement is signed by every organization engaged in BB activities. That is
> how I see this and - if I understood correctly many of the discussions of
> this list and face to face meetings - that is how the majority of folks
> feels about it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Eduardo Bertoni <ebertoni65 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
>
> I am a bit confused. Maybe my confusion comes because, as I asked in the
> meeting in Bali, it is not clear what bestbits is. Is it a network of
> organizations? A platform for open discussions? etc.
>
>
>
> At the end of NetMundial a document called "
> Civil society closing statement at NETmundial 2014
>
>  " was distributed. My understanding was that it was our 'bestbits'
> "closing" statement. Then I read statements coming from many individual
> organizations. That, of course, is perfectly fine. And now I see there is
> another document distributed by Carolina, with a different tone and a
> different perspective, also in bestbits. The new title is
> Civil society statement: reflections on NETmundial
>
>
>
> So, just to understand clearly: Why is it necessary to issue a new
> bestbits document? Don´t you think that having too many documents with
> different views about NetMundial demonstrates the lack of consensus of
> civil society about the final output of NetMundial?
>
>
>
> Apologies in advance if I am misunderstanding these two documents. But I
> think the tone in each is entirely different, and since I signed the first
> one, it would be hard to sign the second one.
>
>
>
> The fact that there is no consensus is not necessarily a problem. However,
> it could be used by governments and others to stop listening to us because
> they could point out that we don't have a common understanding of critical
> issues. Why should we open the door to that?
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
> Eduardo Bertoni
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Carolina Rossini <
> carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
> During the last few days, and to deal with the frustration some of us have
> been feeling, I put together a basic statement text that has received
> inputs from many of you so far. It grow from 1 page to almost 2. I do feel
> we have reached a point where the text is closed and round. So I write to
> you to ask you consider signing it. It bring reflections on the NetMundial
> results. I hope this is more representative of how many of us feel. And I
> do think it is a good closure step.  It was in a google document
> until recently, but Jeremy did the favor to put it online, behind a
> password.
>
>
>
> http://bestbits.net/netmundial-reflections/
>
> pass: bestbits
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>
>
> Adam as suggested small changes - mostly regarding flow, and I will look
> for Jeremy online to adopt those.
>
>
>
> I hope you can consider signing it.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
>
>
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