[bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM

Fri May 2 16:27:14 EDT 2014

Godwin, your friend is not very good at English. "Computer-crime defendants" without a modifier means an indeterminate number of them, not all of them... So you were probably right. ;)

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> On 02/05/2014, at 19:28, "Mike Godwin (mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG)" <mgodwin at INTERNEWS.ORG> wrote:
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> This reminds me of a friend who asked me a couple of decades back what I was doing in my post-law-school work. “I represent computer-crime defendants,” I told him. His response: “What? All of them?"
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> From: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
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> Date: Friday, May 2, 2014 at 1:17 PM
> To: 'Carolina Rossini' <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>, 'Eduardo Bertoni' <ebertoni65 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> Subject: RE: [bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM
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> Carolina in the statement (and in the other statement as I recall) the terminology of “we as civil society” was used repeatedly either directly or as implied.
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> Perhaps, given what you say below you might want to correct that (it seems a wee bit arrogant to my ears to be claiming to be speaking on behalf of all of civil society—I know for example that I, and my Community Informatics colleagues weren’t consulted… and I’m guessing that the other several billion or so folks who might identify themselves as CS weren’t consulted either.
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> From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Carolina Rossini
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 5:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: [bestbits] new BB statement - reflections on NM
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> I do not think it is a contradiction. It just mirrors different reflections by many who did not feel represented in the statement delivered at the end. BB is a platform, not a body or an organization. Not every statement is signed by every organization engaged in BB activities. That is how I see this and - if I understood correctly many of the discussions of this list and face to face meetings - that is how the majority of folks feels about it. 
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> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Eduardo Bertoni <ebertoni65 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
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> I am a bit confused. Maybe my confusion comes because, as I asked in the meeting in Bali, it is not clear what bestbits is. Is it a network of organizations? A platform for open discussions? etc.
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> At the end of NetMundial a document called "
> Civil society closing statement at NETmundial 2014
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>  " was distributed. My understanding was that it was our 'bestbits' "closing" statement. Then I read statements coming from many individual organizations. That, of course, is perfectly fine. And now I see there is another document distributed by Carolina, with a different tone and a different perspective, also in bestbits. The new title is
> Civil society statement: reflections on NETmundial
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> So, just to understand clearly: Why is it necessary to issue a new bestbits document? Don´t you think that having too many documents with different views about NetMundial demonstrates the lack of consensus of civil society about the final output of NetMundial?
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> Apologies in advance if I am misunderstanding these two documents. But I think the tone in each is entirely different, and since I signed the first one, it would be hard to sign the second one.
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> The fact that there is no consensus is not necessarily a problem. However, it could be used by governments and others to stop listening to us because they could point out that we don't have a common understanding of critical issues. Why should we open the door to that?
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> Best
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> Eduardo Bertoni
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> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear colleagues,
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> During the last few days, and to deal with the frustration some of us have been feeling, I put together a basic statement text that has received inputs from many of you so far. It grow from 1 page to almost 2. I do feel we have reached a point where the text is closed and round. So I write to you to ask you consider signing it. It bring reflections on the NetMundial results. I hope this is more representative of how many of us feel. And I do think it is a good closure step.  It was in a google document until recently, but Jeremy did the favor to put it online, behind a password. 
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> http://bestbits.net/netmundial-reflections/
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> Adam as suggested small changes - mostly regarding flow, and I will look for Jeremy online to adopt those. 
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> I hope you can consider signing it.
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> Thank you
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